SI: The Dynasty That Never Was

[OnTheWarpath15]

Damn good read on the dismantling of the Seahawks and the rift between members of the defense and Russell Wilson.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/07/se...n-pete-carroll

An excerpt:

The same players also cite much larger, more pertinent issues. Such as after the 2014 NFC Championship Game against the Packers, when Wilson was invited to the podium at the 50-yard-line after having thrown four interceptions in the game. The Seahawks had just pulled off a miracle comeback, with the defense limiting Aaron Rodgers to 178 passing yards and intercepting him twice. Multiple defensive players had gutted through injuries, and yet it was Wilson who received the most praise, and Wilson whom Carroll saluted in team meetings that next week as having saved the season. “That’s when guys really started to notice the lack of accountability,” says one former player. “Before that, if guys made mistakes or we lost games, guys took responsibility for it, for good or for bad. We started losing that.”

[wazu]

Bunch of guys worrying about who gets credit. Tells you all you need to know.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by wazu

Bunch of guys worrying about who gets credit. Tells you all you need to know.

It's not always about being a glory hog, but wanting your work recognized and for everyone to be held equally accountable. Most people don't tolerate double standards well.

"When several players who spoke to SI said Carroll gathered his offensive and defensive leaders and told them they needed to protect Wilson, to treat him more gently than they would their other teammates." In contrast, that is exactly what Belichick does with Brady. He will rip him in practice/film study, saying things like, "A QB at Foxborough High could make that throw."

[Rasputin]

I like it when they show Pete Carroll vigorously chewing bubble gum on the sidelines. You know he is an intense HC.

[BigRedChief]

In all team sports, team chemistry and or lack of should be given more credit for a teams success or failure.

Just this year look at the STL Cardinals. Not bad but under performing. Get the players on the same page and winning increases above the talent level.This isn't new information but coaches and GM's consistently undervalue this part of a successful team.


I personally heard DT and Smith trash the offense in a public place many times. They were pissed.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

In all team sports, team chemistry and or lack of should be given more credit for a teams success or failure.

This may have been the single best attribute of the '14-'15 Royals.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

In all team sports, team chemistry and or lack of should be given more credit for a teams success or failure.

Just this year look at the STL Cardinals. Not bad but under performing. Get the players on the same page and winning increases above the talent level.This isn't new information but coaches and GM's consistently undervalue this part of a successful team.


I personally heard DT and Smith trash the offense in a public place many times. They were pissed.

Yeah, just like the St Louis Cardinals

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

In all team sports, team chemistry and or lack of should be given more credit for a teams success or failure.

Just this year look at the STL Cardinals. Not bad but under performing. Get the players on the same page and winning increases above the talent level.This isn't new information but coaches and GM's consistently undervalue this part of a successful team.


I personally heard DT and Smith trash the offense in a public place many times. They were pissed.

I think Marcus Peters was probably as about as bad for team chemistry is a guy could possibly get. He Gone!!!

I think we are going to be pleasantly surprised by the impact it makes.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

I think Marcus Peters was probably as about as bad for team chemistry is a guy could possibly get. He Gone!!!

I think we are going to be pleasantly surprised by the impact it makes.

So you are saying... a moody guy, that rides a bike on his own during the anthem, has screaming matches with his coaches, refuses to tackle, goes off-script on defense and wears full Black Panther gear in the locker room is bad for team chemistry?

Sounds like it would be hard to trade a guy like that.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

So you are saying... a moody guy, that rides a bike on his own during the anthem, has screaming matches with his coaches, refuses to tackle, goes off-script on defense and wears full Black Panther gear in the locker room is bad for team chemistry?

Sounds like it would be hard to trade a guy like that.

But, but, but, . . . the poor thing got HECKLED . . . by doughy middle-aged bags of mayonnaise wearing New Balance and Dockers in the stands!!

How many $Ms are you supposed to TAKE for that kind of abuse?!?!

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Eh. There's something else driving the dislike of Wilson. It's the same thing that drove so much anger from team-mates at McNabb.

I actually worry people will do it to Mahomes.

Black players tend to dislike light skinned black dudes who come from money and 'act white'. Same reason so many NBA guys hate Steph Curry. Nobody really talks publicly about it, but it's a thing.

Kaep had the same problem in his locker room, which is why he went full african revolutionary to get black cred.

I'm not saying it's the reason, but the resentment is there from the start.

I had honestly forgotten Mahomes dad was black. If Reid doesn’t go soft ass kid gloves on Mahomes it will be fine. Wilson was fine until he sucked it up and couldn’t take it.

Dudes hate Curry because he is a trash talking dancing in your face ****er. He tries to play the nice guy off the court but there isn’t a bigger prick in the league. Well except Dramond Greene but that dude is in a world all his own.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

I think Marcus Peters was probably as about as bad for team chemistry is a guy could possibly get. He Gone!!!

I think we are going to be pleasantly surprised by the impact it makes.

I think you and I have 2 different definitions for "pleasant", but sure.

[SithCeNtZ]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

In all team sports, team chemistry and or lack of should be given more credit for a teams success or failure.

Just this year look at the STL Cardinals. Not bad but under performing. Get the players on the same page and winning increases above the talent level.This isn't new information but coaches and GM's consistently undervalue this part of a successful team.


I personally heard DT and Smith trash the offense in a public place many times. They were pissed.

There is some survivorship bias in this though. You never(or rarely) hear about a title team who hates each other, but I’m sure it happens. It is also easy to write of a bad team for other reasons like the Royals this year. They seem to all like each other and have a good time but that doesn’t translate to wins. So you can say “well yes it’s just their talent level”, disregarding the fact that they have good chemistry.

[notorious]

Carroll runs a loose locker room.


No surprise.

[NWTF]

Just a one time SB winner flash in the pan.

That play call on the goal line that LOST the SB to the Pats was the final straw. Had it succeeded and they won it probably wouldnt have mattered to most of them, but if most of the team really believed Carroll was trying to get Wilson the SB MVP by calling that play then this ending was inevitable. Theres really no getting over that when they dont like the guy (Wilson) to begin with.