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Old 08-09-2020, 07:31 PM   #2
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I respect the decision of Lucas, but selfishly wish he had played to get a year under his belt before taking over a starting position next season. The Chiefs can open op $11.5 million in cap space by cutting Fisher in '21. This set us back a year and puts us in a pickle with future cap space.
And I was told that no one wanted to get rid of or move Fisher to LG. Here is one example of many that some tried to deny are in existence.
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Old 08-09-2020, 08:38 PM   #3
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And I was told that no one wanted to get rid of or move Fisher to LG. Here is one example of many that some tried to deny are in existence.
It all comes down to cap dollars and sacrifices needed to make room for Mahomes and Jones contract. Fisher has been respectable, but he sure as hell isn't elite. Hell, he could end up replacing one of the interior guards as well. Who the hell knows.....
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Old 08-09-2020, 10:30 PM   #4
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Old 08-10-2020, 04:53 AM   #5
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Jack Del Rio speaks the truth about these opt-out players...

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“I have personal views that would probably not sit well with my professional occupation right now. I think I’ll just leave it like that.”
—Washington defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio, asked by Ben Standig of The Athletic how he feels about healthy players opting out of the 2020 NFL season.

I am reminded of an agent who told me recently: “You watch. Coaches won’t say it, but they’ll hold it against players who opt-out with medical reasons to do it.”
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Old 08-10-2020, 09:06 AM   #7
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ia-peter-king/
Jack Del Rio is a ****ing moron.
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Old 08-10-2020, 09:59 AM   #8
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ia-peter-king/
Yes use a man with a history of being a complete dipshit.
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Old 08-10-2020, 10:28 AM   #9
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ia-peter-king/


Jack Del Rio is one of the biggest morons in sports
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Come on guys what did you expect from someone that is in the same league.
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Old 08-10-2020, 09:17 AM   #11
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I really don't get the rush to cut Fisher. He is an above average LT and only counting for about $14 million this year and next, I'd take that all day over paying a guy $22-25. Save Niang for when his contract is up and wants a raise.
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Old 08-10-2020, 09:25 AM   #12
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I really don't get the rush to cut Fisher. He is an above average LT and only counting for about $14 million this year and next, I'd take that all day over paying a guy $22-25. Save Niang for when his contract is up and wants a raise.
Old feelings die hard. It's a combination of the Schottenhiemer/Vermiel 'build around your elite OL' thinking and leftover animus from lousy luck in drawing 1.1 in a miserable draft year.

Fisher is among the top 5 pure pass pro LTs in the game and he's making 2/3 of what the 'elite' guys are making. And people want to cut him.

He's left on an island damn near every snap and does his job credibly.

Had we drafted this guy at 2.1 instead of 1.1, people would love him. There's been so much anti-Fisher sentiment due to his draft position that folks refuse to concede how well he's performed despite a massive degree of difficulty in Reid's offense.

And ultimately, if we're wrong about that, Reid will know it better than anyone on here and he'll get cut. But I suspect Reid/Veach will do what they have to do to keep Fisher around because they know how useful he is and how damaging it would be to cut him loose. At worst, he'll play out the final year of his deal (because again, he's below market) and they'll take the comp pick if they can't get an extension done.

Fisher's a good LT in a league where there are maybe a dozen of those. His cap figure is almost certainly below his market value. And people want to cut him then cite OTHER people wanting to cut him as proof they're right.

Aight. Makes sense.
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I don't hate Fisher, however we will have to save money somewhere and getting 5 years out of a dude making a couple mill a year isn't a horrible idea if you feel you can replace him with a draft pick.
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Old 08-10-2020, 10:37 AM   #14
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I don't hate Fisher, however we will have to save money somewhere and getting 5 years out of a dude making a couple mill a year isn't a horrible idea if you feel you can replace him with a draft pick.
Sure - that's always the idea. And it just doesn't work that often. Most of the time, a draft pick, especially a 3rd rounder, isn't equipped to just step in and replace a Pro Bowl player at a critical position.

The same people calling for Fisher to be cut are lauding Veach's work in retaining a luxury player in Sammy Watkins despite using a 2nd rounder on Hardman last year and getting a productive season out of him.

Want to save $12 million in a way that doesn't expose Mahomes to add'l abuse? Cut Hitchens now, absorb the hit, clean the books for next season and there - you've cleared the same amount as cutting Fisher without getting rid of a dude who didn't lose a game while starting at the most important position on the OL for us last season.

And again - I like Niang a lot. I was on board with taking him in the 2nd before the draft started. I think he can be a very good player and maybe someday win that job outright. But it wasn't going to happen even by 2021, not with 2020 likely being something of a redshirt season even before the COVID thing happened.

Natural attrition will take care of this - there's no reason at all to piss away the final (and cost effective) year of Fisher's contract when there are other, LESS cost effective line items on our salary cap.
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Sure - that's always the idea. And it just doesn't work that often. Most of the time, a draft pick, especially a 3rd rounder, isn't equipped to just step in and replace a Pro Bowl player at a critical position.

The same people calling for Fisher to be cut are lauding Veach's work in retaining a luxury player in Sammy Watkins despite using a 2nd rounder on Hardman last year and getting a productive season out of him.

Want to save $12 million in a way that doesn't expose Mahomes to add'l abuse? Cut Hitchens now, absorb the hit, clean the books for next season and there - you've cleared the same amount as cutting Fisher without getting rid of a dude who didn't lose a game while starting at the most important position on the OL for us last season.

And again - I like Niang a lot. I was on board with taking him in the 2nd before the draft started. I think he can be a very good player and maybe someday win that job outright. But it wasn't going to happen even by 2021, not with 2020 likely being something of a redshirt season even before the COVID thing happened.

Natural attrition will take care of this - there's no reason at all to piss away the final (and cost effective) year of Fisher's contract when there are other, LESS cost effective line items on our salary cap.
Oh I don't mean Niang, I think if they really want to replace a LT, that's a 1st round pick.
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