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Old 11-21-2018, 08:27 AM  
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NFL MVP... Brees or Mahomes
So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat).

67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs)
76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs)

Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right.

Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?
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Old 11-21-2018, 04:17 PM   #121
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Aaron Donald should be in the mix... I mean 14.5 sacks as a DT is unreal...
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Old 11-21-2018, 05:15 PM   #122
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With Brees' efficiency against Mahomes' INT total, he'll get it.

Mahomes could still earn it if he breaks the TD record, though. I think he needs like 19 in 6 weeks. Will be tough but doable.
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Old 11-21-2018, 05:16 PM   #123
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Old 11-21-2018, 05:21 PM   #124
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With Brees' efficiency against Mahomes' INT total, he'll get it.

Mahomes could still earn it if he breaks the TD record, though. I think he needs like 19 in 6 weeks. Will be tough but doable.
54 passing and 3 rushing could do it. That’s give him 57 total which would break the record for total touchdowns in a season (Manning had 56 total in 2013)
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Old 11-21-2018, 05:23 PM   #125
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Considering that the last 18 MVP’s (19 if you count 2003 when McNair and Manning shared it) have all lost in the playoffs, I hope that Brees gets it.
If you’re so superstitious, know that the last MVP to win a Superbowl played in Missouri and had a very prolific year. It was also his first season starting. He was coached by a former Eagle coach who went 0-1 in the Superbowl prior to coming to Missouri.

It’s time
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Old 11-21-2018, 06:37 PM   #126
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If you’re so superstitious, know that the last MVP to win a Superbowl played in Missouri and had a very prolific year. It was also his first season starting. He was coached by a former Eagle coach who went 0-1 in the Superbowl prior to coming to Missouri.

It’s time
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Old 11-21-2018, 07:21 PM   #127
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You guys have turned into homer city. You're really stretching on some of this Brees stuff. Those four years Brees went 7-9 his defenses ranked 31st, 28th, 31st and 32nd. If I'm not mistaken that defense that finished 32nd set the NFL record for yards allowed. That is horrible.

There have been nine 5000 yard passing seasons in the history of the NFL, and Brees has five of them. Nobody else has done it more than once. He has a legit shot to post 80,000 career passing yards and 550 career TD... and doing that while having the highest completion percentage in the history of the NFL. You can argue he's the best passing QB to ever play the game.
You also can say his defense sucks so they cant run the ball., they need to throw 10 to 15 times more per game.
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Old 11-21-2018, 07:26 PM   #128
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definitey Brees as of right now but a lot of football left to be played... Mahomes needs to get those turnovers down..
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Old 11-21-2018, 08:14 PM   #129
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NFL MVP... Brees or Mahomes
Prior to this weekend I felt it was already Brees’ to lose. After the games this weekend I think it’s pretty much set that Brees will win it. The never won it thing is a big factor and since at this point the numbers are a toss up Brees will get it due not having won one.
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Old 11-21-2018, 08:28 PM   #130
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A lot of takes in here -- some homers, some reasonable, some seemingly thinking Brees is all over it. I'm very 50-50 on it, but here's what I know: Mahomes is the favorite. Literally. He's the Vegas favorite. Generally speaking, this late in the season, I'd imagine the favorite ends up winning a high % of the time.

However, Brees has closed the gap in the past few weeks. A few INTs against Brees would be nice; it's an overrated stat in the context it's currently being used to prop him up. Rodgers also has 1 INT. Matt Ryan has 4, rocking a 22:4 ratio. Meanwhile Big Ben has 10 INTs. Brady has 7. Luck, who's having an unreal year himself, has 9. It's just not a big deal with some context. Shockingly, those QBs all have WAYYYYYY more attempts than Brees. In fact, Brees is basically the world's sickest game manager this year. There are 15 QBs with more attempts. Brees is right there with Cam Newton and Alex Smith, both notorious low-volume guys.
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Old 11-21-2018, 08:34 PM   #131
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Prior to this weekend I felt it was already Brees’ to lose. After the games this weekend I think it’s pretty much set that Brees will win it. The never won it thing is a big factor and since at this point the numbers are a toss up Brees will get it due not having won one.
This is just not true. It's actually the complete opposite: it's going to be won or lost in the next few weeks. If Mahomes does get 50-55 TD and Brees only ends up with 32-34, there's no way in hell he'll get it. On the other hand, if Mahomes gets like 46-48 and Brees has 36-38, and all the other stats like completion % and his low INTs remain the same, for sure Brees wins.
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Old 11-21-2018, 08:53 PM   #132
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You guys have turned into homer city. You're really stretching on some of this Brees stuff. Those four years Brees went 7-9 his defenses ranked 31st, 28th, 31st and 32nd. If I'm not mistaken that defense that finished 32nd set the NFL record for yards allowed. That is horrible.

There have been nine 5000 yard passing seasons in the history of the NFL, and Brees has five of them. Nobody else has done it more than once. He has a legit shot to post 80,000 career passing yards and 550 career TD... and doing that while having the highest completion percentage in the history of the NFL. You can argue he's the best passing QB to ever play the game.
Literally no one with eyes outside of New Orleans would come to that conclusion.
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Old 11-21-2018, 09:00 PM   #133
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I see now that you said best passing QB. Still, who would argue against Dan Marino as the best pure passer in league history?

Drew Brees is great but he's a stat whore. His numbers have been inflated by sheer volume of attempts over the years.
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Old 11-21-2018, 10:10 PM   #134
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Prior to this weekend I felt it was already Brees’ to lose. After the games this weekend I think it’s pretty much set that Brees will win it. The never won it thing is a big factor and since at this point the numbers are a toss up Brees will get it due not having won one.
I was surprised hes never won one. Hes been good to great his whole career. Probably passed over in favor of Brady or Manning a couple times due to overall team success. That may well factor in. Really Mahomes has been the story of the season so far and is deserving of MVP, not saying Brees isnt, but the vibe of the season says Mahomes.
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At this point I think you have to give it to Brees. 1 mother-effig INT.

But there's a lot of season left.
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