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Old 11-21-2018, 08:27 AM  
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NFL MVP... Brees or Mahomes
So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat).

67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs)
76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs)

Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right.

Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:47 AM   #76
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Gotta say: really don't care if Mahomes gets MVP. Obviously, it would be cool if Mahomes won MVP and we got the recognition deserved but I'd rather just win in Jan and Feb.

But if I had to pick, I'd say Brees, but its basically a coin-flip.
Exactly.
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:48 AM   #77
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If Brees continues at this pace I think he'll get it. End up with like 40 TD and only 2 or 3 INT, while smashing the completion % record? That's pretty tough. Arguably the greatest QB season ever.
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:50 AM   #78
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Don't they wait until the end of the season to vote in this yrs. MVP?
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:53 AM   #79
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Also, the Saints haven't played anyone. Just look at their schedule and then compare that to the Chiefs if you want to laugh.
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:53 AM   #80
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Mahomes is changing the dynamics of quarterback play. He is making other quarterbacks/teams take notice and up their game. Goff rolled out to his left i believe he wouldn't have done that if he hadn't been paying attention to Mahomes.



Mahomes is bringing new fans to the NFL


Naw O'leans has a better defense than the Chiefs
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:03 PM   #81
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MVP - Most Valuable Player. Doesn't have anything to do with stats.

Mahomes is driving this team to the Super Bowl.
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:08 PM   #82
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Based on what I've seen, Brees should probably get it.

As good as Mahomes has been, Brees has been damn near perfect.
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:09 PM   #83
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Except 3 of those picks were essentially hail marys. LOL. The Saints have basically never been in a hail mary position all season. Not surprising Brees doesn't have any of those garbage time picks. All Qbs have those. Rodgers/Manning/Brady. Not sure why Mahomes is getting penalized for that.

And even if all 10 were poor in-game decisions, 10 ints is still ridiculously low for someone who leads the league in passing yards. Go look up the passing yardage kings all these years. Almost no one has fewer ints than Mahomes does.

As far as completion percentage, yes Brees is killing it but Mahomes isn't shabby himself at almost 68%. Considering Brees has 60 plus fewer passing attempts, of course, his completion percentage will be inflated. That's basically equivalent to Mahomes having to play almost 2 more games than Brees. So, of course, Mahomes percentage will be hurt because of variance and Brees percentage will be better.

Ironically I am of the mindset that the lifetime award aspect of this conversation actually hurts Brees here. If Brees never winning an MVP is weighted into this conversation then I am weighing the fact that Mahomes is essentially a rookie vs Brees and of course because of that it's way easier for Brees to do what he's doing after 15 whatever years of experience than it is for Mahomes to be doing this. I don't buy the, "he's young, he'll have other chances...." MVP years are specifically designed to recognize abnormal playing years. Mahomes year is 10x more abnormal considering Mahomes age and experience than Brees not throwing picks as a 15-year vet.

Look at Cam Newton/Rodgers/Matt Ryan/ none of them had a year quite like their MVP seasons. There is no evidence Mahomes will catch lightning in a bottle again. Defenses were not planning for Mahomes until well after his 14-0 TD to int ratio start. If I was voting no way I vote Brees.

You should consider being a lawyer. You can certainly spin facts!
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:09 PM   #84
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I’m kinda shocked Brees hasn’t won before?

Guess he’s been blocked by Manning, Brady and Rodgers?
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:12 PM   #85
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I’m kinda shocked Brees hasn’t won before?

Guess he’s been blocked by Manning, Brady and Rodgers?
or having losing records.........
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:14 PM   #86
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It does help that Brees will have played in a dome 11 games out of 16 this year. His road game at Cincy, mid 40s, 2mph wind, was probably the harshest game weather condition wise he will face. His remaining road games at outdoor stadiums: Bucs and Panthers.
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I mean Drew Brees is great and all....

but.........

2018-11-21-12-14-08

4 Division titles in 12 years?
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:16 PM   #88
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That is the Saints with Drew Brees, there are a ton of VALID REASONS he has never won MVP before.
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I mean Drew Brees is great and all....

but.........

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4 Division titles in 12 years?
Looks like the king of 7-9. 5 years at 7-9 just screams MVP baby.
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Looks like the king of 7-9. 5 years at 7-9 just screams MVP baby.
Thats my point, what other "MVP" QB has a record like his?

I just saying just because guy has put up stats like no other doesnt mean he has delivered when it mattered.

You don't give MVP to someone because of the history of his play with the current year added in.

The reason Drew Brees has never won MVP is because he never deserved it. Maybe this year he does, but there is no way in hell if Pat throws 50+ TD's that he will deserve it over Pat.

Go figure as soon as Saints get two ALL-PRO backs his completion percentage goes up.
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