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Mile High Mania · 11-21-2018, 08:27 AM

So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat).

67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs)
76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs)

Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right.

Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?

Halfcan · 11-21-2018, 11:07 PM

Mahomes has been electric this season. Most sports experts picked the Chiefs at the bottom of the division- now we are going to win our 3rd in a row because of PM. His has carried a team with a bad defense most of the year, and a team that will blow away all the stats from the previous year with a different QB. Brees is having a fine year, but has not even been close as far as making the amazing plays Mahomes has made.

Even in stats he is killing Brees. Twice he has thrown 6 TD's and has broken many records already. If he ends up 50 TD's and 5000 yards- there is no way he should not be MVP. He is the Best in the NFL.

As far as Brees not getting an MVP before- that should not even be a factor- it is based on THIS year- not a lifetime achievement award.

suzzer99 · 11-21-2018, 11:22 PM

I can get on board with this. Almost ANY other year I can think of, Mahomes would be having the consensus best year of any QB. Just so happens his 1st year starting coincides with a HOF QB having the best year of his life. https://t.co/1Drs2k2AGQ
— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) November 22, 2018

CaliforniaChief · 11-21-2018, 11:27 PM

Brees for MVP, Mahomes for Super Bowl MVP.

Hammock Parties · 11-21-2018, 11:29 PM

Mahomes has to win more games than Brees to win it, IMO.

If he doesn't the writers won't care about TDs.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-22-2018, 12:37 AM

I’m officially at the point of not giving two shits about the MVP award. People won’t shut up about it, specifically on social media, and it makes you realize how meaningless it really is in the big picture.

I just want Mahomes to be the Super Bowl MVP. That’s it.

jaa1025 · 11-22-2018, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Mahomes has to win more games than Brees to win it, IMO.

If he doesn't the writers won't care about TDs.

I agree. The Chiefs, and Mahomes, need to play flawless for the next 5 games and the Saints need to drop 2 in their next 6...with Brees having a few off games. It might take Mahomes breaking the TD record if not.

**TimeForWasp** · 11-22-2018, 03:47 AM

I can calmly and whole heartedly concede and actually be happy to agree that Brees should win the MVP. He deserves it.

I also calmly thought till the last pass that we would beat the Rams.

I can accept this because I know in my heart what we have in Mahomes. and The glory will come.

Hannah Barbarian · 11-22-2018, 04:16 AM

Well it's far from settled, argument could go both ways:
* tons of TDs (maybe record)
* loads of yards (maybe record)
* decent TD:Turnover ratio
* popular player with fast-growing audience
or
+ sick completion rating
+ awesome passing rating
+ almost no Turnovers
+ HOF player with best season stat-wise

Wins should be about the same, probably 13 or 14 for both teams.

I don't care much about QB box score stats because completion%, passing yards etc. are really a team stat. Of course if you're going for records it MATTERS, but eye test is crucial to understand what's going on.

If we were judging primarily by passer rating or yards, Brees would already have 3+ MVPs. But voters recognized that's not the case. Lots of 7-9 seasons and 40 points games against inferiors.

**007** · 11-22-2018, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hannah Barbarian

Well it's far from settled, argument could go both ways:
* tons of TDs (maybe record)
* loads of yards (maybe record)
* decent TD:Turnover ratio
* popular player with fast-growing audience
or
+ sick completion rating
+ awesome passing rating
+ almost no Turnovers
+ HOF player with best season stat-wise

Wins should be about the same, probably 13 or 14 for both teams.

I don't care much about QB box score stats because completion%, passing yards etc. are really a team stat. Of course if you're going for records it MATTERS, but eye test is crucial to understand what's going on.

If we were judging primarily by passer rating or yards, Brees would already have 3+ MVPs. But voters recognized that's not the case. Lots of 7-9 seasons and 40 points games against inferiors.

I'm not sure NO will lose another game looking at their schedule.

Hannah Barbarian · 11-22-2018, 04:42 AM

I think they'll get an L somewhere between Panthers games and Steelers bout. But yeah, they look almost invincible atm.

SuperBowl4 · 11-22-2018, 05:09 AM

Mahomes. No question.

CupidStunt · 11-22-2018, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by old_geezer

Better completion percentage; better QBR; 25 TDs to 1 interception; and he actually beat the Rams. I would vote for Brees without hesitation at this point.

I didn't see that before. Referencing the Rams game is ridiculous. He was at home while putting up less points than KC did. He also lost to RYAN FITZPATRICK, does that make Mahomes MVP?

He can win for a myriad of reasons but that is not one of them.

Hammock Parties · 11-22-2018, 09:11 AM

One reason I keep throwing in the face of Saints fans is their running game is so lethal they don't have to throw it as much.

And that makes Mahomes literally more valuable.

The Chiefs have to lean on their QB more.

dlphg9 · 11-22-2018, 07:41 PM

High completion percentage and low amount of ints? Are we talking about Alex Smith? I know 77% completion percentage is impressive, but look at the top 20 for completion percentage in a season. It's a bunch of no bodies with a few HoF thrown in there. Bradford, Ryan, Cousins, Ken Anderson and Derek Carr are all in the top 10 for highest completion percentages in a year. Hell look at the list of QBs with the fewest ints thrown, that list has Deberg number 2 and Prescott, Smith, Griffin, and Bradford in the top 10. Do those players impress you, because they sure don't impress me. If Mahomes hits 50 tds then he is the MVP hands down. High completion percentage and lack of interceptions shouldn't win someone an MVP. Mahomes is on pace for the 3rd most yards in a single season and is on pace for the 2nd most TD passes ever. His completion percentage is also 67.5 percent right now. He's the MVP. He's on pace to do things only 1 or 2 other QBs have ever done.

PizzaDoughz · 11-22-2018, 07:54 PM

Nice to see Brees throw an INT tonight. Watching both without question Mahomes is more deserving of the MVP. Brees makes way too many safe horizontal passes and pads his stats and risks getting injured just to take the MVP award from a more deserving Mahomes as he knows this is pretty much his last chance at an MVP.

The only thing worrying me is most vertical offenses tend to slow down in the harsh winters and Brees gets to play in a warm dome all year.

11-21-2018, 08:27 AM
Mile High Mania #triggering Mile High Mania's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas	NFL MVP... Brees or Mahomes So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat). 67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs) 76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs) Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right. Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?
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11-21-2018, 11:07 PM	#136
Halfcan In Search of a Life Halfcan's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2005	Mahomes has been electric this season. Most sports experts picked the Chiefs at the bottom of the division- now we are going to win our 3rd in a row because of PM. His has carried a team with a bad defense most of the year, and a team that will blow away all the stats from the previous year with a different QB. Brees is having a fine year, but has not even been close as far as making the amazing plays Mahomes has made. Even in stats he is killing Brees. Twice he has thrown 6 TD's and has broken many records already. If he ends up 50 TD's and 5000 yards- there is no way he should not be MVP. He is the Best in the NFL. As far as Brees not getting an MVP before- that should not even be a factor- it is based on THIS year- not a lifetime achievement award.
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11-21-2018, 11:22 PM	#137
suzzer99 In Search of a Life suzzer99's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: L.A.	I can get on board with this. Almost ANY other year I can think of, Mahomes would be having the consensus best year of any QB. Just so happens his 1st year starting coincides with a HOF QB having the best year of his life. https://t.co/1Drs2k2AGQ — Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) November 22, 2018
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11-21-2018, 11:27 PM	#138
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11-21-2018, 11:29 PM	#139
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Hammock Parties's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2002	Mahomes has to win more games than Brees to win it, IMO. If he doesn't the writers won't care about TDs.
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11-22-2018, 12:37 AM	#140
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS pugsnotdrugs19's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2013	I’m officially at the point of not giving two shits about the MVP award. People won’t shut up about it, specifically on social media, and it makes you realize how meaningless it really is in the big picture. I just want Mahomes to be the Super Bowl MVP. That’s it.
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11-22-2018, 03:47 AM	#142
TimeForWasp Sprinkle in some Mahomes TimeForWasp's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Butte Montana	I can calmly and whole heartedly concede and actually be happy to agree that Brees should win the MVP. He deserves it. I also calmly thought till the last pass that we would beat the Rams. I can accept this because I know in my heart what we have in Mahomes. and The glory will come.
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11-22-2018, 04:16 AM	#143
Hannah Barbarian Starter Hannah Barbarian's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2018	Well it's far from settled, argument could go both ways: * tons of TDs (maybe record) * loads of yards (maybe record) * decent TD:Turnover ratio * popular player with fast-growing audience or + sick completion rating + awesome passing rating + almost no Turnovers + HOF player with best season stat-wise Wins should be about the same, probably 13 or 14 for both teams. I don't care much about QB box score stats because completion%, passing yards etc. are really a team stat. Of course if you're going for records it MATTERS, but eye test is crucial to understand what's going on. If we were judging primarily by passer rating or yards, Brees would already have 3+ MVPs. But voters recognized that's not the case. Lots of 7-9 seasons and 40 points games against inferiors.
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Hannah Barbarian Starter Hannah Barbarian's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2018	I think they'll get an L somewhere between Panthers games and Steelers bout. But yeah, they look almost invincible atm.
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11-22-2018, 05:09 AM	#146
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11-22-2018, 09:11 AM	#148
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Hammock Parties's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2002	One reason I keep throwing in the face of Saints fans is their running game is so lethal they don't have to throw it as much. And that makes Mahomes literally more valuable. The Chiefs have to lean on their QB more.
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11-22-2018, 07:41 PM	#149
dlphg9 MVP dlphg9's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2010	High completion percentage and low amount of ints? Are we talking about Alex Smith? I know 77% completion percentage is impressive, but look at the top 20 for completion percentage in a season. It's a bunch of no bodies with a few HoF thrown in there. Bradford, Ryan, Cousins, Ken Anderson and Derek Carr are all in the top 10 for highest completion percentages in a year. Hell look at the list of QBs with the fewest ints thrown, that list has Deberg number 2 and Prescott, Smith, Griffin, and Bradford in the top 10. Do those players impress you, because they sure don't impress me. If Mahomes hits 50 tds then he is the MVP hands down. High completion percentage and lack of interceptions shouldn't win someone an MVP. Mahomes is on pace for the 3rd most yards in a single season and is on pace for the 2nd most TD passes ever. His completion percentage is also 67.5 percent right now. He's the MVP. He's on pace to do things only 1 or 2 other QBs have ever done.
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11-22-2018, 07:54 PM	#150
PizzaDoughz - Join Date: Jan 2014	Nice to see Brees throw an INT tonight. Watching both without question Mahomes is more deserving of the MVP. Brees makes way too many safe horizontal passes and pads his stats and risks getting injured just to take the MVP award from a more deserving Mahomes as he knows this is pretty much his last chance at an MVP. The only thing worrying me is most vertical offenses tend to slow down in the harsh winters and Brees gets to play in a warm dome all year.
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