***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by SuperBowl4

Remember when MAO ZEDONG, the chairman of the communist party of CHINA mass murdered a reported 18 to 45 million of his own people between 1958-1962. MAO'S GREAT LEAP FORWARD?

Which gets me back to "hey - maybe we should've been rooting for Germany in 1914...."

Granted, there's not a direct link to Mao and WWI, but the rise of the Soviet Union HAD to play a part there. Prior to the Sino-Soviet split the relationship between Mao and the USSR was pretty cozy. Did their support swing the Chinese Civil War? Maybe, maybe not - but it damn sure didn't hurt. And just seeing another superpower operating from fundamentally Marxist ideals would've empowered Mao and his allies.

Who knows - but it sure would be nice to have China as an ally right now instead of this backwards shitheel of a country it's become.

[RollChiefsRoll]

My brother’s wife is going to be induced at a KC-area hospital tonight. Thankfully, he gets to go in but he’s not allowed to come and go from the hospital.

My first little niece. Will forever be nicknamed the Rona Baby.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by TLO

Yes, since there doesn't seem to be a lot of proof that it actually works.

Then again maybe it's having a greater impact than we can put on paper and actually see right now. I'm not certain

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dan Carlin's Hardcore History has 30 hours of content on WWI. Magnificent.

Oh yeah.

Anyone that is interested in the topic needs to start with that. More advanced understanding is a slog and without a good foundation to work from, you'll lose interest fast.

But Carlin can give you a good enough fundamental understanding of most of it to make additional research fare more gratifying and fill in gaps. I cannot recommend Carlin enough as a starting point for a handful of topics. He's not a dispositive source, but he's a gateway drug, to be sure.

[petegz28]

CA just closed schools for the rest of the school year.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Pants

The Japanese too. If you ever want to not sleep for the next couple of nights, read up about Unit 731.

I presume you know what we did allegedly with their "results"?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Funny thing is that the nation that would've REALLY been hit by a swift German victory is the United States.

The transfer of wealth from traditional European powers to the US because of WWI was staggering. It fast forwarded our ascent to superpower status by probably 50 years.

And it fundamentally altered our national consciousness from 125+ years of relative isolationism to our present status as de facto world police.

I get bored by studying WWII because it's a black and white conflict. It's democracy vs. authoritarianism and good vs. evil. There are clear white/black hats there and catastrophic outcomes of the bad guys had prevailed.

But man, WWI is so fascinating in so many ways because so many of the evils that impact us to this day would've been diminished or avoided outright had things gone differently. Had all the authoritarian regimes that cropped up as a result of WWI been snuffed out in the womb, imagine how much human suffering would've been avoided.

And the most likely avenue to that would've been a swift, relatively bloodless german victory that would've given them the 'credit' they were so desperate for on the world stage. It would've just calmed them the !@#$ down and gotten that chip off their shoulder.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/..._the_Great_War

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll

My brother’s wife is going to be induced at a KC-area hospital tonight. Thankfully, he gets to go in but he’s not allowed to come and go from the hospital.

My first little niece. Will forever be nicknamed the Rona Baby.

That's too bad. Hope everything turns out OK for her.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by petegz28

CA just closed schools for the rest of the school year.

I’m surprised we(AZ)beat them to it. Our announcement came Monday morning.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

I do weight watchers and did pretty good for awhile, I am forcing myself to work and take care of what I need to take care of and it stresses me to the point I just eat to cope. Better than drugs and booze but still not very healthy.

I’m the opposite of most here that have posted on this subject in here. I decided to use the time early on to lose some weight and eat better.

I’ve lost 12 lbs since I started social distancing. I walk around the neighborhood. I’m doing a lot of manual labor yard work. Not eating a bunch of crap 24/7. I’m still a fat ass so I have no more willpower than you guys. Just sharing my experience.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Donger

I presume you know what we did allegedly with their "results"?

Of course. One of the greatest non-hypothetical ethical dilemmas.

Unless you're referring to something else. If that's the case, I would love to hear more.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Whatever I have is the oddest damn virus ever.

Today is day 11, still zero energy, tightness in my chest, cough has finally died down, but have a massive headache daily and my temperature changes 3* +/- over the course of 30-45 minutes. Was 102.5 at 3:30 and down to 99.1 now.

Temp has been as low as 96.6. Weird.

Wife is starting to get nervous and suggesting a trip to the hospital is in order, but being told by doc there really isn't anything they'll do for me there I'm not already doing at home - and much, much cheaper at home.

I'm so done with this shit.

[KCUnited]

Dang IL jumped from 26 to 42 new deaths today.

[O.city]

You’re on the down hill side man

Hopefully

I’ll send you a bottle of pappys to celebrate beating it

[Donger]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Whatever I have is the oddest damn virus ever.

Today is day 11, still zero energy, tightness in my chest, cough has finally died down, but have a massive headache daily and my temperature changes 3* +/- over the course of 30-45 minutes. Was 102.5 at 3:30 and down to 99.1 now.

Temp has been as low as 96.6. Weird.

Wife is starting to get nervous and suggesting a trip to the hospital is in order, but being told by doc there really isn't anything they'll do for me there I'm not already doing at home - and much, much cheaper at home.

I'm so done with this shit.

Ugh, hang in there, OTW.