***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

They are not sick.

How the **** can you say that? you dont know...

[dirk digler]

6.6 million filed unemployment claims last week. We are ****ed.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

A stunning admission of deadly ignorance from Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, who says he only just learned that asymptomatic people can transmit #Covid19. “[I]ndividuals could have been infecting people before they ever felt bad, but we didn’t know that until the last 24 hours.” pic.twitter.com/T7NZWk2GDR

— Andisheh Nouraee (@andishehnouraee) April 2, 2020

Good lord. Doesn’t he have handlers or someone to manage his ignorant, incompetent ass? How does anybody let that statement go out?

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

6.6 million filed unemployment claims last week. We are ****ed.

That is insane

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

6.6 million filed unemployment claims last week. We are ****ed.

Tens of millions of Americans will likely lose their jobs as the coronavirus pandemic sends the U.S. economy into a free fall, causing the unemployment rate to surge to levels not seen since the Great Depression, according to a St. Louis Federal Reserve estimate.

The analysis, posted by St. Louis Fed economist Miguel Faria-e-Castro, projected that unemployment could hit 32 percent in the second quarter as more than 47 million workers are laid off as a result of the pandemic, which has forced swaths of the economy to shut down. That would exceed the 24.9 percent peak during the Great Depression.

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[Discuss Thrower]

From landlords to economists to Wall Street traders, a lot of folks are fretting over what’s going to happen on April 1.


That question is hanging over the U.S. real estate industry as $81 billion in rent payments come due. Renters are warning they won’t pay, prompting property owners to have delicate conversations with their lenders. And regulators are racing to keep the wheels of finance turning in the middle of a global health crisis.

Few in the industry are certain how things will play out. Most agree that laid-off renters and shuttered retailers are suffering, and that the pain is going to spread as long as the economy is locked down.

“The hardest thing right now is that nobody actually knows how bad it’s going to get,” said Willy Walker, chief executive officer at commercial real estate lender Walker & Dunlop Inc. “That’s driving everybody crazy.”

After a long economic boom in which tight housing inventory gave apartment landlords unprecedented power to raise rents, the shoe is on the other foot as the calendar turns toward April. Many local governments have placed temporary bans on evictions, and there’s a growing sense that even tenants who can afford to pay will skip rent.


Apartment owners collect more than $22 billion in rent in a typical month, roughly a quarter of the total landlords take in across major types of commercial property, according to CoStar Group Inc. In an extreme scenario, more than 25% of the households that rent in the U.S. may need help making payments because of the coronavirus, requiring up to $12 billion a month in government support, according to research from Amherst Holdings.

U.S. Set to Report Millions More Unemployment Claims This Week

Residential landlords aren’t the only ones worried. Retail owners have little leverage, since a quarantine is a bad time to find new tenants. Rental debt typically must be paid eventually, but uncertainty about the economic impact from the virus makes it hard to anticipate when people and businesses will be able to make up missed payments.

“If tenants stop paying rent, then at some point landlords can’t pay utilities,” said Scott Rechler, chief executive officer at RXR Realty, a New York-based owner of offices, apartments, and other properties. “The municipalities don’t get their property taxes or mortgages aren’t paid and the banks get a spike in defaulting loans.”

Across credit markets, regulators are racing to prepare for missed rent to turn into late loan payments. The apartment industry alone has more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt, said Dave Borsos, vice president of capital markets at the National Multifamily Housing Council. Last week, the Federal Housing Finance Agency said it would allow apartment owners who financed their properties through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to delay mortgage payments.

Real estate investor Tom Barrack argued in a series of tweets on Saturday that offering forbearance on interest owed by real estate owners and mortgage investors is central to providing relief to U.S. businesses – and that the U.S. Treasury could help stabilize debt markets by purchasing certain commercial mortgage backed securities.

American renters, meanwhile, are making their own calculations. Kansas Wade, a 28-year-old recruiter for tech companies in Austin, sent an anxious email to her landlord after social-distancing efforts cost her girlfriend her job as a hairdresser. Their property manager dismissed a request to reduce or defer part of the monthly $1,400 payment, leaving Wade to worry she’ll have to use her credit card to make rent.

While the stimulus package passed by Congress should eventually put cash in the pockets of consumers and make emergency loans available to small business owners, the economic carnage is still unfolding. Jobless claims are spiking, with economists estimating that 3.3 million Americans filed for unemployment last week.

“I’m less worried about April,” said Bruce McNeilage, CEO of Kinloch Partners, which operates single-family rental homes. “I’m more worried about May 1. Once people miss three or four paychecks, that’s when things get bad.”

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[Donger]

Well, I guess the spring breakers aren't immune after all.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

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I only have one rental with only the boyfriend having been laid off so I will probably be ok getting my rent but I can’t imagine guys with tons of rentals and being their primary income coming from rent.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

6.6 million filed unemployment claims last week. We are ****ed.

What did you expect?

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by petegz28

What did you expect?

There was never a doubt....
What we cannot gauge is the overreaction in the market and will compound when the Realestate business realizes no rental income.....

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

What did you expect?

Around what it was last week, 3 million or so.

[SuperBowl4]

http://worldlifeexpectancy.com

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

How the **** can you say that? you dont know...

Maybe he gets his data from the Georgia Gov...

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Around what it was last week, 3 million or so.

I hate to tell you but it's going to get worse. Like up to 30 million. You don't shut shit down like we are and expect unemployment to not get ass plowed. The longer this goes on the more and more the numbers will shoot up. Think about it....everyone who works in a theater, salon, gym, bar restraunt, event center, etc. and the businesses that serve those business are now either completely shut down or have greatly reduced staff.

Everyone wants everything shut down which is fine. But there is a cost to it.

[displacedinMN]

Happy and healthy day to everyone.