Official 2017 STL Cardinals Thread

[BigRedChief]

My as well get it started. Here's my "Matheny" lineup.....

Fowler CF
Diaz SS
Carpenter 1B
Piscotty RF
Grichuk LF
Molina C
Peralta 3B
Wong 2B
Pitcher

My "Matheny" Starting rotation

Martinez
Reyes
Wainwright
Lynn
Leake

[Marco Polo]

I can't believe we didn't make one trade. BAU.

[Frazod]

They should change the mascot to an ostrich.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Pretty bad when the GM of the Blues has has a better year than Mo.

Has he demonstrated any particular acumen anywhere since Luhnow stopped stacking his system for him?

Seriously - what does he do well? It's not trades. It's not free agent signings. So far he's signed exactly one guy to an extension that hasn't fallen to hell over the last 5 years (yet). Everyone else has either gotten injured or sucked.

Since Luhnow left he's done one thing that's actually worked out well and that's the Jay/Gyorko deal.

Anything else? The Diaz signing that looked great for a year (but only after he tried to cut the guy outright first) and then it didn't anymore. Piscotty and Wong's deals have been a mess thus far. Lynn's deal was just absolutely idiotic AND backfired immediately, likewise with Wainwrights. Molina's was a PR contract so I don't fault him for that. The free agent signings have been unqualified disasters since Holliday. At best you're looking at merely annoying like Pena, Wiggington or Ellis. But for every short-term contract that accomplishes nothing, you've had a Fowler or Cecil. The best you can point to is probably Leake, who's been just mediocre as hell at the low cost of $80+ million and a full no-trade clause.

His other trades have just been wet farts; the best you can say is that they aren't full pant-shits but they're definitely not helping matters. While we're giving up the same for Broxton/Moss/Masterson as the Mets gave up for Cespedes (probably more), other teams are identifying issues and actually fixing them. Instead of just seeing how much shit they can throw at the wall in the hopes some of it sticks.

He's goddamn terrible at this job. Absolutely miserable at it.

And he got promoted.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Has he demonstrated any particular acumen anywhere since Luhnow stopped stacking his system for him?

Seriously - what does he do well? It's not trades. It's not free agent signings. So far he's signed exactly one guy to an extension that hasn't fallen to hell over the last 5 years (yet). Everyone else has either gotten injured or sucked.

Since Luhnow left he's done one thing that's actually worked out well and that's the Jay/Gyorko deal.

Anything else? The Diaz signing that looked great for a year (but only after he tried to cut the guy outright first) and then it didn't anymore. Piscotty and Wong's deals have been a mess thus far. Lynn's deal was just absolutely idiotic AND backfired immediately, likewise with Wainwrights. Molina's was a PR contract so I don't fault him for that. The free agent signings have been unqualified disasters since Holliday. At best you're looking at merely annoying like Pena, Wiggington or Ellis. But for every short-term contract that accomplishes nothing, you've had a Fowler or Cecil. The best you can point to is probably Leake, who's been just mediocre as hell at the low cost of $80+ million and a full no-trade clause.

His other trades have just been wet farts; the best you can say is that they aren't full pant-shits but they're definitely not helping matters. While we're giving up the same for Broxton/Moss/Masterson as the Mets gave up for Cespedes (probably more), other teams are identifying issues and actually fixing them. Instead of just seeing how much shit they can throw at the wall in the hopes some of it sticks.

He's goddamn terrible at this job. Absolutely miserable at it.

And he got promoted.

What he said.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Well, with the deadline passing we can get back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[bdj23]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Has he demonstrated any particular acumen anywhere since Luhnow stopped stacking his system for him?

Seriously - what does he do well? It's not trades. It's not free agent signings. So far he's signed exactly one guy to an extension that hasn't fallen to hell over the last 5 years (yet). Everyone else has either gotten injured or sucked.

Since Luhnow left he's done one thing that's actually worked out well and that's the Jay/Gyorko deal.

Anything else? The Diaz signing that looked great for a year (but only after he tried to cut the guy outright first) and then it didn't anymore. Piscotty and Wong's deals have been a mess thus far. Lynn's deal was just absolutely idiotic AND backfired immediately, likewise with Wainwrights. Molina's was a PR contract so I don't fault him for that. The free agent signings have been unqualified disasters since Holliday. At best you're looking at merely annoying like Pena, Wiggington or Ellis. But for every short-term contract that accomplishes nothing, you've had a Fowler or Cecil. The best you can point to is probably Leake, who's been just mediocre as hell at the low cost of $80+ million and a full no-trade clause.

His other trades have just been wet farts; the best you can say is that they aren't full pant-shits but they're definitely not helping matters. While we're giving up the same for Broxton/Moss/Masterson as the Mets gave up for Cespedes (probably more), other teams are identifying issues and actually fixing them. Instead of just seeing how much shit they can throw at the wall in the hopes some of it sticks.

He's goddamn terrible at this job. Absolutely miserable at it.

And he got promoted.

Hey, at least we got that dry powder.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BDj23

Hey, at least we got that dry powder.

Payroll muscle, man.

Remember a few weeks ago when he was talking about his upcoming busy July? Maybe he overslept.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If you don't have much faith in Mozeliak, it might turn out better that he didn't trade Lynn, as the scouting department might be able to reap more rewards from the draft pick compensation off of his rejected QO than Mozeliak would have gotten from moving him.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If you don't have much faith in Mozeliak, it might turn out better that he didn't trade Lynn, as the scouting department might be able to reap more rewards from the draft pick compensation off of his rejected QO than Mozeliak would have gotten from moving him.

I don't have any faith in Mozeliak, no.

So I'm convinced he'll extend him for 4/76 or something equally asinine.

Then they'll cry poor when it comes time to add an impact bat and instead they'll sign a mid-tier JAG.

[dls6501]

I am really pissed we didnt make a single trade.

[Marco Polo]

We offered Piscotty and either Weaver or Flaherty for Gray and was turned down.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/m...riguing-offer/

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Marco Polo

We offered Piscotty and either Weaver or Flaherty for Gray and was turned down.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/m...riguing-offer/

Because of course we did.

Why shouldn't a team that has nothing but pitching in the system use it's 'big bullets' (such as they are) for another goddamn pitcher. Especially an undersized righty with an injury history.

The Cardinals can't even target the right people when they fail.

****ing Mozeliak - what an absolute moron.

[Marcellus]

I doubt I have ever hated a Cards team more than this one.

[kcpasco]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I doubt I have ever hated a Cards team more than this one.

So you aren't ok with a team who bats Jedd Gyorko 4th and the GM seems to be perfectly fine with it.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I doubt I have ever hated a Cards team more than this one.

Eh, of recent teams, 2010 pissed me off more.