Official 2017 STL Cardinals Thread

[BigRedChief]

My as well get it started. Here's my "Matheny" lineup.....

Fowler CF
Diaz SS
Carpenter 1B
Piscotty RF
Grichuk LF
Molina C
Peralta 3B
Wong 2B
Pitcher

My "Matheny" Starting rotation

Martinez
Reyes
Wainwright
Lynn
Leake

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Gotta upgrade the three hole. That not cutting it.

Agreed. We still need a good bat in there and it now has to be a 1B or 3B. Or else your trading Dejong(which would be stupid). Wong(selling ridiculious low), trying to get Fowler to accept a trade. None of those options work.

Gyrko needs to be the super sub and start upon injury player. You move Carp to 3B if you get a 1B.

Its obvious we need a MOTO bat that can play 3B. If we can somehow, someway get Machado here and he wants to play SS, we can slide Dejong to 3B.

[jd1020]

Rumor is Adrian Gonzalez is available.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Rumor is Adrian Gonzalez is available.

Yeah I saw something on mlb tv about that, they mentioned that ATL should send him to STL. Probably get the cards to pay his salary and there wouldnt even need to be any players swapped. We got the money to lose in case he flops.

Dont know if he has anything left in the tank but basically the low bar is that he has to be better than Gyrko.

[VAChief]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Gotta upgrade the three hole. That not cutting it.

Show me who is available who put up better numbers or isn’t a one year rental.

Your Pham hate is duly noted, it’s just not supported by the numbers. He may not reproduce those numbers from last year. He could also improve them.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Yeah I saw something on mlb tv about that, they mentioned that ATL should send him to STL. Probably get the cards to pay his salary and there wouldnt even need to be any players swapped. We got the money to lose in case he flops.

Dont know if he has anything left in the tank but basically the low bar is that he has to be better than Gyrko.

They already cut him.

You can sign him for league minimum and Atlanta is on the hook for the rest. Still dont think he's worth the spot on the 40 man roster but if you could get a bounce back year from him would be a cheap signing.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by jd1020

They already cut him.

You can sign him for league minimum and Atlanta is on the hook for the rest. Still dont think he's worth the spot on the 40 man roster but if you could get a bounce back year from him would be a cheap signing.

Maybe we get a berkman year from him. Surely we can find a spot on the 40 and take a gamble on him being better than Gyrko.

No idea on how well Gonzalez is playing these days.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

No idea on how well Gonzalez is playing these days.

Heyward had a higher OPS last year.

[VAChief]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Agreed. We still need a good bat in there and it now has to be a 1B or 3B. Or else your trading Dejong(which would be stupid). Wong(selling ridiculious low), trying to get Fowler to accept a trade. None of those options work.

Gyrko needs to be the super sub and start upon injury player. You move Carp to 3B if you get a 1B.

Its obvious we need a MOTO bat that can play 3B. If we can somehow, someway get Machado here and he wants to play SS, we can slide Dejong to 3B.

Why make a guy part-time who in a full season could very likely get you 30 bombs a year and is your best defensive 3B option? If you have a Donaldson or Arenado I would get it, but moving Carp back there again to put who at first?

Hosmer? Gonzalez? Neither would likely better Jedd’s numbers, plus cost you obscenely more money. Now if you want to make a play for a Freddie Freeman at 1B then you’ve got an upgrade worthy of moving Carp back to 3B.

[VAChief]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Maybe we get a berkman year from him. Surely we can find a spot on the 40 and take a gamble on him being better than Gyrko.

No idea on how well Gonzalez is playing these days.

Do you suppose the uptick in Jedd’s numbers might slightly be more reliable to hold at age 28 than a return to glory for Adrian Gonzalez at...what is he now 108?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Heyward had a higher OPS last year.

well **** that guy then.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Agreed. We still need a good bat in there and it now has to be a 1B or 3B. Or else your trading Dejong(which would be stupid). Wong(selling ridiculious low), trying to get Fowler to accept a trade. None of those options work.

Gyrko needs to be the super sub and start upon injury player. You move Carp to 3B if you get a 1B.

Its obvious we need a MOTO bat that can play 3B. If we can somehow, someway get Machado here and he wants to play SS, we can slide Dejong to 3B.

Gyorko doesn't need to be the super sub. There is 0 reason to make Gyorko a super sub unless Machado or Donaldson play 3rd.

Acquiring Longoria to make Gyorko a super sub is pointless.

Gyorko is fairly cheaply and plays really, really, really well offensively and defensively. Wong also did what people have been expecting him to do since he was drafted last year (minus the power).

[VAChief]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Gyorko doesn't need to be the super sub. There is 0 reason to make Gyorko a super sub unless Machado or Donaldson play 3rd.

Acquiring Longoria to make Gyorko a super sub is pointless.

Gyorko is fairly cheaply and plays really, really, really well offensively and defensively. Wong also did what people have been expecting him to do since he was drafted last year (minus the power).

This...DeJong profiles better as a super sub. Jedd at short or second is a liability defensively.

We need to simplify the options for Capt. Concussion. Free Jedd!

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Gyorko doesn't need to be the super sub. There is 0 reason to make Gyorko a super sub unless Machado or Donaldson play 3rd.

Acquiring Longoria to make Gyorko a super sub is pointless.

Gyorko is fairly cheaply and plays really, really, really well offensively and defensively. Wong also did what people have been expecting him to do since he was drafted last year (minus the power).

The #STLCards have been pursuing #Bluejays 3B Josh Donaldson much stronger than #Orioles Manny Machado, perhaps in part because they'd have a much better chance to lock up Donaldson to long-term extension.

— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) December 18, 2017

[BigRedChief]

JD, I thought you guys had plenty of money? Don't you also have a billion $ cable contract in place?

The Chicago #Cubs, searching for a frontline starter, say they are kicking the tires of every free-agent starter. You name him, they are talking about him. The pricetag still remains too high at moment.

— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) December 17, 2017

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

JD, I thought you guys had plenty of money? Don't you also have a billion $ cable contract in place?

We do have plenty of money but there's this 2018-19 offseason coming up, you may have heard of some of the names in that class. They aren't looking to invest $150-200M in overrated pitchers like Darvish and Arrieta.

They were pushing hard for Cobb, but apparently a guy that is always injured and has a career high of 179.1 innings thinks he is worth 20+ million a year.