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Old 03-28-2024, 07:32 AM   #2
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I know Calfifornia has already considered a road tax "usage" tax that would be payed annually based on how many miles were driven. It didn't gain much ground; however, the closer we get to the 2035 all electric date, that will have to change as the amount of money raised by the gas tax will get less and less. I know I won't have to worry about that as I am eligible to leave California at the end of next year.
That is something they are considering now in Kansas. I just hope they don't do something stupid, like put another tax on all electricity customers.
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Old 03-28-2024, 10:17 AM   #3
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I know Calfifornia has already considered a road tax "usage" tax that would be payed annually based on how many miles were driven. It didn't gain much ground; however, the closer we get to the 2035 all electric date, that will have to change as the amount of money raised by the gas tax will get less and less. I know I won't have to worry about that as I am eligible to leave California at the end of next year.
In Washington, I had to pay an extra registration fee because I won't be paying gas taxes. I think it was $175.
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Old 03-28-2024, 10:24 AM   #4
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In Washington, I had to pay an extra registration fee because I won't be paying gas taxes. I think it was $175.
It's only $50 in Colorado, but I bet it'll go up over time as EVs make up a higher percentage of cars on the road.
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Old 03-28-2024, 08:52 PM   #5
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In Washington, I had to pay an extra registration fee because I won't be paying gas taxes. I think it was $175.
That's ridiculous
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Old 03-29-2024, 04:49 AM   #6
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That's ridiculous
You do realize the gas taxes are used for road construction and maintenance, right?

You expect a FREE RIDE?
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Old 03-29-2024, 06:45 AM   #7
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You do realize the gas taxes are used for road construction and maintenance, right?

You expect a FREE RIDE?
You would think you would be more thankful to the people that are helping lower the price of YOUR gas.
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Old 03-29-2024, 07:21 AM   #8
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My gas prices are going up because the number of sheep that have switched to electric isn't big enough to cause dent in demand.

EV is not the future. They are never going to replace IC engines. Let me know when hydrogen, or some other "clean" method that mirrors IC, starts becoming a mainstream push. Then I might take an interest.
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Old 03-29-2024, 08:47 AM   #9
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My gas prices are going up because the number of sheep that have switched to electric isn't big enough to cause dent in demand.

EV is not the future. They are never going to replace IC engines. Let me know when hydrogen, or some other "clean" method that mirrors IC, starts becoming a mainstream push. Then I might take an interest.
Ah yes supply and demand does not exist? It is true that gas is extremely inelastic but I assure you if Tesla, Prius, and other hybrid/electric cars did not exist your gas prices would be higher.

Just say thank you. Its ok. Gas serves a purpose as do EVs.
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Old 03-29-2024, 12:01 PM   #10
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You would think you would be more thankful to the people that are helping lower the price of YOUR gas.
Like that has any impact whatsoever. I am going to stop now before this thread ends up in D.C.
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Old 03-29-2024, 12:08 PM   #11
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As calculated earlier, the energy cost of producing the Tesla Model S Long Range battery pack is equivalent to about 15.76 barrels of oil, or about 2,675.2 gallons of diesel fuel.Feb 26, 2023


https://famguardian.org/3-million-ba...0diesel%20fuel.
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Old 03-30-2024, 10:39 AM   #13
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As calculated earlier, the energy cost of producing the Tesla Model S Long Range battery pack is equivalent to about 15.76 barrels of oil, or about 2,675.2 gallons of diesel fuel.Feb 26, 2023


https://famguardian.org/3-million-ba...0diesel%20fuel.
Are you under the impression that other cars don't take any energy to make? I don't understand what you are trying to prove here.
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You do realize the gas taxes are used for road construction and maintenance, right?

You expect a FREE RIDE?
"You didn't build that"
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Old 03-29-2024, 08:55 AM   #15
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You do realize the gas taxes are used for road construction and maintenance, right?

You expect a FREE RIDE?
To be fair, there's nothing set in stone that says that's the way roads SHOULD be financed. Some states don't have income taxes, but they have higher property and/or sales taxes - they can choose how they want it to work.

In a distant future where EVs are the majority, states could possibly choose to pay for road maintenance from other sources. And sure, you could argue that paying for it from gas taxes is the most "fair" way of doing it, but I don't get a break on my taxes because I don't have kids who go to school and don't go to parks very often.

In the meantime, I don't have an issue with (reasonable) registration fees for EVs, but the model at its core doesn't HAVE to stay that way.
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