***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by petegz28

What we have watched come to light over the last 1-2 weeks really has not fed the doom and gloom narrative and those who found their virtue in being afraid are now getting a bit pissy.

There are actually more "false positives" than we thought or wanted to believe
Testing results are being skewed by various agencies to push a fear based narrative
Tests are too sensitive causing false positives
We don't need people to test unless they show symptoms


I know I am still leaving a few things out

But the cases!!!!

[Dayze]

My wife was just informed of her positive COVID test.

Monday evening I said she sounded like she had a stuffy nose. Then she stayed home from work the rest of the week. Got a COVID test (due to work requirements) on Wednesday I believe. She felt like ass tues through thurs. Friday a little better. Yesterday pretty decent. But has had an on/off slight fever 100.8 since Thursday . So I told her she should go to urgent care today as it might be an infection. As she was sitting in the parking lot waiting , she literally got the results from the earlier test.

So quarantine for 14 days from last Monday. And same with me. They said they treat it as though I’m positive even though I haven’t had a test. But, I’ll be getting one I’m sure early this week due to guidlines at my work. So we’ll see.


Sucks, because the meds she takes for her MS lowers her immunity overall.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Dayze

My wife was just informed of her positive COVID test.

Monday evening I said she sounded like she had a stuffy nose. Then she stayed home from work the rest of the week. Got a COVID test (due to work requirements) on Wednesday I believe. She felt like ass tues through thurs. Friday a little better. Yesterday pretty decent. But has had an on/off slight fever 100.8 since Thursday . So I told her she should go to urgent care today as it might be an infection. As she was sitting in the parking lot waiting , she literally got the results from the earlier test.

So quarantine for 14 days from last Monday. And same with me. They said they treat it as though I’m positive even though I haven’t had a test. But, I’ll be getting one I’m sure early this week due to guidlines at my work. So we’ll see.

Sounds like she is at the end of it or at least let's hope so. Hope you don't have it or have no symptoms anyway. If she has had it all week and you aren't showing any signs yet then that's good for you anyway.

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Sounds like she is at the end of it or at least let's hope so. Hope you don't have it or have no symptoms anyway. If she has had it all week and you aren't showing any signs yet then that's good for you anyway.

Yep.

And man,...last December I got diagnosed with a “respitory infection” flu etc. was the most ****ed up /put down illness i can ever remember. Could barely breath etc. so I’m almost sure it was COVID and no one really knew it yet. Of course, that’s just by wild ass guess. But I’ve never been that sick in my life.


So far, despite living together , I haven’t had any symptoms. A little. Tiny stuffy nose that’s remedied by Claritin. Took my temp the last day or two, and no fever. So I’m hosting either I didn’t get it, or I somehow have some antibodies of sorts from December, **** I dunno

Fingers crossed I don’t end up with it.

[suzzer99]

My mom, my aunt, my sister were all meeting in Denver this week (they just left). They begged me to come. So finally I gave in and drove from LA to Denver (with a few camping stops and seeing my cousin in Jackson Hole) and surprised my mom. She cried, which was nice.

But the rest of the weekend consisted of going to museums, eating at indoor restaurants, riding in cars together and touching everything like it was 2019. All stuff I said I was absolutely not going to do. But of course I should have known was going to happen anyway. I'm not worried about myself so much as all the older people, and my sister, who has an autoimmune disease. I didn't want to be responsible for any extra activities that might put them at risk.

My aunt had a coughing fit yesterday, and my cousin's wife said she had trouble breathing. But she swears it's just normal allergies. She's riding in the car back from Denver to KC right now with my mom and stepdad. Couldn't be a worse situation if my aunt has covid somehow - a 9 hour blast from the back seat. I expressed my concerns about my aunt and this car ride to my mom, and she looked at me like I was from Mars. They seem to have decided covid is over, or it can't happen to them. I really don't know what they're thinking. They're not coronahoax or anti-maskers.

I'm going to be stressed out for a week or so until I know everyone is ok. This shit sucks.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by Dayze

Yep.

And man,...last December I got diagnosed with a “respitory infection” flu etc. was the most ****ed up /put down illness i can ever remember. Could barely breath etc. so I’m almost sure it was COVID and no one really knew it yet. Of course, that’s just by wild ass guess. But I’ve never been that sick in my life.

..........

I believe this Virus was stateside way before January. Probably before the first of Nov

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

I believe this Virus was stateside way before January. Probably before the first of Nov

Both my daughter and my brother-in-law had "unknown viral infections" right after the holidays that in hindsight appear they could have been COVID.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Sounds like she is at the end of it or at least let's hope so. Hope you don't have it or have no symptoms anyway. If she has had it all week and you aren't showing any signs yet then that's good for you anyway.

Wrong. Dayze's wife will literally have permanent, debilitating conditions and never ever return to any normalcy.

[TLO]

Looks like all the action is in DC today. That 6% number has everyone fired up.

[TLO]

FDA leader says agency could consider authorization for Covid-19 vaccine before Phase 3 trials are complete, Financial Times reports

(CNN)In an interview with the Financial Times, US Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn said the agency could consider emergency use authorization or approval for a Covid-19 vaccine before Phase 3 trials are complete.

"It is up to the sponsor [vaccine developer] to apply for authorisation or approval, and we make an adjudication of their application," Hahn told the Financial Times. "If they do that before the end of Phase Three, we may find that appropriate. We may find that inappropriate, we will make a determination."

Hahn noted that an EUA is not the same as FDA approval.

"Our emergency use authorisation is not the same as a full approval," he said. "The legal, medical and scientific standard for that is that the benefit outweighs the risk in a public health emergency."
Hahn said the vaccine decision would be based on data, not politics.

"We have a convergence of the Covid-19 pandemic with the political season, and we're just going to have to get through that and stick to our core principles," he told the Financial Times. "This is going to be a science, medicine, data decision. This is not going to be a political decision."

CNN has reached out to FDA for comment.

This isn't the first time US officials have discussed authorization for a Covid-19 vaccine before large-scale trials are complete.

During a July 30 meeting inside Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows raised the possibility of an emergency use authorization for a vaccine before Phase 3 trials were completed. The Financial Times first reported the details of the meeting.

[MahomesMagic]

Carl Heneghan
@carlheneghan
·

Yep, it’s in our review on live culture vs PCR here https://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/....04.20167932v2 ‘ ‘Infectivity appears to decline after about a week of viral shedding around the cycle threshold value of 24.’

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Carl Heneghan
@carlheneghan
·

Yep, it’s in our review on live culture vs PCR here https://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/....04.20167932v2 ‘ ‘Infectivity appears to decline after about a week of viral shedding around the cycle threshold value of 24.’

English.....

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by petegz28

English.....

This is in reference to the calibration of the PCR tests or amount of cycles. Carl Heneghan is saying that the PCR test should be stopped around 24 cycles.

Currently they go 37 or 40 cycles. This will make the tests more meaningful and also reduce the amount of cases that shouldn't be considered infections.

[Discuss Thrower]

Moar fearmongering

Coronavirus was discovered in the bathroom of an unoccupied apartment in China, suggesting the airborne pathogen may have wafted upwards through drain pipes https://t.co/xx2ZpHHwWt

— Bloomberg (@business) August 30, 2020

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Moar fearmongering

Coronavirus was discovered in the bathroom of an unoccupied apartment in China, suggesting the airborne pathogen may have wafted upwards through drain pipes https://t.co/xx2ZpHHwWt

— Bloomberg (@business) August 30, 2020

I thought wafting was reserved for smells emanating from whore houses and college frats