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Old 04-23-2019, 08:09 PM  
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Avengers (4) Endgame - Spoilers Welcome Thread

Since Endgame is probably one of the most anticipated films we've had here in a while, let's quarantine all discussion from those who have seen the film (or who have otherwise read spoilers). If you don't want to see stuff get spoiled, stay out!

(And this will likely be the last time I view this thread until Friday, so if you need me to put something in the OP or similar, shoot me a PM. I won't read posts in here.)
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Old 04-27-2019, 02:37 PM   #121
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Pretty amazing they got Robert Redford, Natalie Portman and ‘Streets of San Francisco’ Michael Douglas back for this.

Amazing movie. I was highly entertained.
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Old 04-27-2019, 02:37 PM   #122
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That is right, forgot about that. But when Thor took it he didn't know if they would be able to return it. Your statement completes the plot hole for that but would still be a huge knuckle headed thing for Thor to do at the time.
No, they discussed they had to return everything if they won.
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Old 04-27-2019, 03:02 PM   #123
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No, they discussed they had to return everything if they won.
I didn't think that was discussed until the Hulk tried to take the Time Stone but I could be wrong.
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Old 04-27-2019, 03:06 PM   #124
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They didn't dust him in the past. They dusted him once on the planet. Then past thanos came through the time machine setting up the reality that is current for the heroes and died there. In their reality he defeated them already. It won't change anything as they didn't alter their past.
He came from their past though. He came from their 2014 (I think that was the year) and then they dusted him in the present. Anything he would have done between 2014 and their present would have been eliminated. Hell, he would have never been around to dust half of everyone to begin with. After 2014, Thanos would no longer exist. To truly get it right, Tony should have sent everyone back to their time with no memory of what transpired. They still needed Thanos to do bad things or everything would be changed.
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Old 04-27-2019, 03:14 PM   #125
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Perfect ending to an incredible era. Wow.
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Old 04-27-2019, 03:15 PM   #126
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I don't have any dislike for Captain Marvel, but I am glad that they didn't let her overpoweredness ruin anything. She was present in this one, but she was really a pretty minor character. I was a little worried that this would become the "Captain Marvel Saves the Day" story.
So glad they didn’t do that too.

Why did they change her hair to a ‘lesbian cut’ ? She was much hotter at the beginning
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Old 04-27-2019, 03:17 PM   #127
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He came from their past though. He came from their 2014 (I think that was the year) and then they dusted him in the present. Anything he would have done between 2014 and their present would have been eliminated. Hell, he would have never been around to dust half of everyone to begin with. After 2014, Thanos would no longer exist. To truly get it right, Tony should have sent everyone back to their time with no memory of what transpired. They still needed Thanos to do bad things or everything would be changed.
Time travel stuff is always messy, and I'm not sure that they really tried to explain it all fully, but...

From my perspective, it's all about multiple timelines. If you consider everything that we've seen thus far in the MCU to be "Timeline A," all of that stuff still happened. When Thanos showed up in the final battle, that created a new "Timeline B" in 2014 in which he never had a chance to gather the stones and basically nothing ever happened. There's a "Timeline C" where Loki got the Tesseract and is still alive. There's a "Timeline D" in which Cap went back to live out life with Carter. All of these timelines exist and were impacted by the results of Endgame, but we're still just watching "Timeline A" in 2018.

The question moving forward is whether they call time travel a "been there, done that" thing or if they decide to keep using it. If they keep using it, then Loki's series could be set just after the events of Avengers (the first one). He wouldn't have grown as a character in the same way we knew it through the later movies. If they don't, it'll be some sort of side story parallel to other events we've seen, or maybe we'll learn that he STILL didn't die in Infinity War after all.
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Old 04-27-2019, 03:44 PM   #128
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Old 04-27-2019, 04:13 PM   #129
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Time travel stuff is always messy, and I'm not sure that they really tried to explain it all fully, but...

From my perspective, it's all about multiple timelines. If you consider everything that we've seen thus far in the MCU to be "Timeline A," all of that stuff still happened. When Thanos showed up in the final battle, that created a new "Timeline B" in 2014 in which he never had a chance to gather the stones and basically nothing ever happened. There's a "Timeline C" where Loki got the Tesseract and is still alive. There's a "Timeline D" in which Cap went back to live out life with Carter. All of these timelines exist and were impacted by the results of Endgame, but we're still just watching "Timeline A" in 2018.

The question moving forward is whether they call time travel a "been there, done that" thing or if they decide to keep using it. If they keep using it, then Loki's series could be set just after the events of Avengers (the first one). He wouldn't have grown as a character in the same way we knew it through the later movies. If they don't, it'll be some sort of side story parallel to other events we've seen, or maybe we'll learn that he STILL didn't die in Infinity War after all.
But they even addressed in the movie that they didn't want to alter the timeline. That right there was a huge plot hole for me.

I mean really why even return the stones at all? Some maybe since they affect others but like the Soul Stone would never need to go back. The next person to acquire it would be Thanos and since that is all ****ed anyway why worry about it.

They made the time travel stuff really messy.
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Old 04-27-2019, 04:46 PM   #130
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Not sure if mentioned but Gamora has to be completely dead right? Even if the 2014 version was there I think Tony dusted her.

She wasn’t at the funeral and was reported missing on the GOTG ship
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Old 04-27-2019, 04:53 PM   #131
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He came from their past though. He came from their 2014 (I think that was the year) and then they dusted him in the present. Anything he would have done between 2014 and their present would have been eliminated. Hell, he would have never been around to dust half of everyone to begin with. After 2014, Thanos would no longer exist. To truly get it right, Tony should have sent everyone back to their time with no memory of what transpired. They still needed Thanos to do bad things or everything would be changed.
No. They killed their thanos with the beheading The one they dusted was another timeline thanos. Hence why gamorra is still alive.
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Old 04-27-2019, 04:54 PM   #132
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Old 04-27-2019, 05:08 PM   #133
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No. They killed their thanos with the beheading The one they dusted was another timeline thanos. Hence why gamorra is still alive.
No, they killed the Thanos in the present but he would have still been alive back in 2014 along with Gamorra.
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Old 04-27-2019, 05:13 PM   #134
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Headcanon that Doctor Strange is kind of a dick and he actually saw other outcomes where they won, including him sacrificing himself, but he made Tony do it because he's a smarmy prick and **** him.
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Old 04-27-2019, 05:18 PM   #135
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Hell, that IS what happened. They were running around with a gauntlet that had all 6 infinity stones already in it that could form to anyone's hand for damn near an hour. All Doctor Strange had to do was scream "somebody put that ****ing thing on and snap these assholes out of existence." Captain Marvel or Thor probably survive with some damage.



Doctor Strange: ****ing asshole.
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