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Old 07-06-2020, 09:20 PM  
Direckshun Direckshun is offline
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Believe it or not, Veach isn’t don’t yet.

So the rocky two years we’re looking at, cap wise, are 2020 and 2021.

But Mahomes just opened up everything by taking a $500m deal that’s still, somehow, a sweetheart deal for those two years, cap-wise.

We are basically at the cap right now assuming our draft picks swallow up the 6m in cap space we have post-Mahomes.

Jones’ deal, if he were extended, could open up about 10m in 2020. And we could have the cap space in 2021 if we do some smart finangling like effectively replace Fisher with Niang and/or extend Tyrann Matthieu and Travis Kelce. All sorts of options on the table there.

Of course, Jones being traded still makes the most sense, given the Chiefs apparent inaction towards him. That would net us 16m, and give us additional draft ammunition to replace Watkins or Jones or Hitchens or any of our starting corners in 2021/2022.

Of course, Jones could simply be traded for a player we could use, like Ngakuoe or Brandon Scherff + draft capital, both options would cost the team less than the Jones megadeal, which would allow us to sign Snacks, or some such player.

Or Jones could be extended and the defense could get further fortified if some free agent studs like Clowney bring their price down.

Give Veach some credit here: if your goal was to get a Jones deal by the deadline, or a well-valued trade for him to get some assets or players in return, then you needed to knock this massive domino down. And not only did Veach do that, he did it in such as way as it gives the team endless flexibility with Mahomes’ contract through at least 2027.

We ain’t done yet, folks. This is the golden era of Chiefs football.
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Old 07-08-2020, 12:05 AM   #46
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For whatever reason? Really? How can you not see the difference here?

Veach has been amazing managing the cap. Dorsey was purely a scout...he just could not manage the cap competently.
Anthony Hitchens' contract called.
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Old 07-08-2020, 12:07 AM   #47
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Anthony Hitchens' contract called.
Hitchens was a lot better last year under Spags
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Old 07-08-2020, 12:08 AM   #48
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Hitchens was a lot better last year under Spags
Perhaps, but that signing was always a mistake.

Outside of that, though, there's not too much to complain about.
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Old 07-08-2020, 12:11 AM   #49
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It’s hard to complain about any of Veach’s contracts in the wake of a Super Bowl win.
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Old 07-08-2020, 12:14 AM   #50
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Perhaps, but that signing was always a mistake.

Outside of that, though, there's not too much to complain about.
Just don’t put Hitchens one on one against a RB and it’ll all be fine. Aaron Jones torched his ass repeatedly last year
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Old 07-08-2020, 12:17 AM   #51
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I don't think that's really far-fetched.

A Jones deal could clear a lot of his 2020 cap hit. If Clowney continues to be unable to find the long-term, megadeal he wants, he may look for a good one-year situation to increase his stock and accept a lower yearly rate ($12 million?)

KC would certainly fall into that category. Super Bowl contender, lets him play DE exclusively, great talent around him on the DL that ensures he gets a lot of single-team pass rush opportunities, high-scoring offense that's going to force teams to throw the ball a ton...
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Why would we spend any real money on Clowney?

Veach has the $ to sign the rookies...where would another 15m come from?

Let’s say Clowney would play for 10m for a year...we don’t have it unless we cut some guys.
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Old 07-08-2020, 05:31 AM   #52
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Why would we spend any real money on Clowney?

Veach has the $ to sign the rookies...where would another 15m come from?

Let’s say Clowney would play for 10m for a year...we don’t have it unless we cut some guys.

If Clowney needs $15 million on a one-year deal, it doesn’t work.

But they can find a way to make $10-12 million work if the Jones extension is set up to lower his year 1 cap hit. That could get them to around $14M under the cap.

I’d spend money on Clowney (or Everson Griffen, or Logan Ryan) because it makes the defense better.

Clowney and Griffen would immediately be the second best DE on the team. And major upgrades.

Harris, Danna, and Ward are not factors yet. You’re talking about a round 5 guy and a couple of street FAs.

Taco Charlton is just a Hail Mary signing. Speaks and Kpass are depth. Okafor would probably be another casualty to find the rest of the money, as I think they save $4 million if he’s cut.

It’s mostly a thought exercise. Suggs helped the defense a lot, and I’m not confident they have a second DE on the roster that can give them what he did.

When your GM is as aggressive as Brett Veach, it is fun - and makes some sense - to look at aggressive moves that are at least quasi possible.
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Old 07-08-2020, 06:15 AM   #53
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Pretty much what Duncan said.

Extending Jones lowers his 2020 cap hit and gives you some $ to spend.

I’ve been saying “Wesley Woodyard” for months now and he’s still a free agent, but there’s an over the hill vet to give us a Suggs-esque push, but on the LB level. He’d be cheap at this point too.
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Old 07-08-2020, 09:25 AM   #54
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Clowney is NOT worth it.
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Old 07-08-2020, 09:31 AM   #55
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I’d take a shot on Logan Ryan with a one year deal if we had the cap space after a Jones signing.
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Old 07-08-2020, 09:38 AM   #56
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Clowney is NOT worth it.
I never have liked Clowney. He just seems too hit and miss and thinks he's worth way more than he really is.
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Old 07-08-2020, 09:42 AM   #57
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Anthony Hitchens' contract called.
His cap hits were $3.6 million in 2018 and $5.28 million last season. That’s cheap.

You guys need to seriously look at contracts on a year-to-year basis instead of the overall contract.

This is the first year he’s making big money and he can be a post June cut next year with only $8 million total dead money. Not great but you guys are acting like this is Justin Houston or Eric Berry contracts
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Old 07-08-2020, 09:42 AM   #58
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For whatever reason? Really? How can you not see the difference here?

Veach has been amazing managing the cap. Dorsey was purely a scout...he just could not manage the cap competently.
I've heard Veach talk about,he has a team that their sole job is to work on cap numbers and they keep a plan for several years in advance. they already have a plan for what they're going to do in 2022
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Old 07-08-2020, 10:45 AM   #59
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Don't care. When is the last time a class-of-the-league GM bailed ship in the middle of a team's dynasty because the owner was dumb enough not to pay him?

That's all Hunt money, too. It's not cap money.

He's staying.
I can't even imagine the scenario where Hunt lets Veach walk. His toughest job yet is the next 10 years. We're going to need to draft at a very high level to keep winning.
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Old 07-08-2020, 10:50 AM   #60
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I can't even imagine the scenario where Hunt lets Veach walk. His toughest job yet is the next 10 years. We're going to need to draft at a very high level to keep winning.
As long as he never dips to 2018 levels again we'll be fine.
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