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**BigRedChief** · 01-02-2018, 05:51 PM

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018

Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

Miles · 07-27-2018, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Polo

Jon Morosi of MLB.com reports that the Cardinals will release Greg Holland.

Holland cost the Cardinals $14 million and they had to forfeit a draft pick. In return, they got a 7.92 ERA over 32 appearances from the veteran reliever. Ouch. Holland should catch on elsewhere now that he can be had at the veteran minimum, but his days as an effective reliever might be over.

Does this mean he’s not still trying to figure things out and just needs more time?

This ****ing guy got just under $500k per inning to pitch 8 era ball.

Jewish Rabbi · 07-27-2018, 11:07 AM

Hudson will take Holland’s spot on the active roster.

DJ's left nut · 07-27-2018, 11:09 AM

So here's the funny part - The Cardinals gave Greg Holland $13 million to do nothing at all useful for the last 4 months. And despite literally setting $13 million on fire - THAT'S NOT EVEN ONE OF THE 3 WORST DEALS MOZELIAK HAS HANDED OUT IN THE LAST 30 MONTHS OR SO!!!!!

The book is closed on Leake and giving him north of $40 million (when you account for the $18 million they sent to Seattle) for about 1.5 seasons of mediocre pitching was worse. The book may as well be closed on the $32 million they set on fire for Cecil and barring some miracle turnaround under new management, we've probably seen all the good we're gonna see from Dexter Fowler's $80 million.

The $12 million they're paying for Gregerson to be below replacement for a year (he's gonna get cut in the offseason, if he even makes it that far) is barely in the top 5 most awful contracts given out by Mozeliak in the last 2 seasons.

How in the shit does this guy still have a job?!?!?

Miles · 07-27-2018, 11:20 AM

Isn’t that also a recap of all of the teams higer money FA signings in the past 3 years as well?

VAChief · 07-27-2018, 01:09 PM

Too bad you can’t send veterans down to the minors. Fowler and Ozuna need a DL “rehab” stint. They need to see what they might have in ONeill on a more consistent basis at this level. He has cut his K rate and upped his walks since going back down and is still crushing it.

Marco Polo · 07-27-2018, 01:15 PM

Cardinals acquired RHP Seth Elledge from the Mariners for RHP Sam Tuivailala.

Ranked by MLB.com as the Mariners' No. 10 prospect Elledge holds a 1.17 ERA and 54/15 K/BB ratio over 38 1/3 innings at the High-A level this season. The 22-year-old will be promoted to Double-A Springfield to start his tenure with the Cards and could move quickly.

Tuivailala holds a 3.04 ERA across 74 relief innings over the last two seasons but hasn't missed as many bats (60 strikeouts) as his velocity suggests he should. Still, he's a quality middle relief addition for the Mariners and is under team control through 2022.

Marco Polo · 07-27-2018, 01:16 PM

Cardinals designated LHP Tyler Lyons for assignment.

Lyons posted an 8.64 ERA over 27 relief appearances for the Cards this season while battling back and elbow issues. He's been awfully good in the past, though, including in 2017 when he held a 2.83 ERA with 68 strikeouts over 54 frames. Lyons is also under team control through 2020, so he could garner some interest on waivers or via trade.

Marco Polo · 07-27-2018, 01:17 PM

Mo starting to clean up some of the trash. Good start but will be interesting to see what happens or who happens next.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-27-2018, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Marco Polo

Mo starting to clean up some of the trash. Good start but will be interesting to see what happens or who happens next.

Tui trade is interesting. He's JAG, so hopefully they're right about Elledge.

Jewish Rabbi · 07-27-2018, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Polo

Mo starting to clean up some of the trash. Good start but will be interesting to see what happens or who happens next.

Rumors are Norris is on the block. Hope he goes. **** that guy.

bdj23 · 07-27-2018, 01:30 PM

Any way we can dump cecil?

Probably not....

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-27-2018, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

Rumors are Norris is on the block. Hope he goes. **** that guy.

Nothing worse than blowhard vets who are also clubhouse snitches.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDj23

Any way we can dump cecil?

Probably not....

They put his bitch ass on the DL to try and recoup some value. They'll probably eat his contract in the offseason along with Gregerson.

God, Mo's gotta go.

Also, there were rumors in Colorado that Holland was an alcoholic, and supposedly, a lot of guys in the clubhouse don't like Ozuna.

**BigRedChief** · 07-27-2018, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Tui trade is interesting. He's JAG, so hopefully they're right about Elledge.

how in the hell did we get a teams top 10 prospect for Tui? I never saw Tui even at the level of JAG.

Marco Polo · 07-27-2018, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

how in the hell did we get a teams top 10 prospect for Tui? I never saw Tui even at the level of JAG.

1. Forgive me but what is a JAG?

2. To be fair, the Seattle farm system has been mostly depleted due to a ton of trades over the last few years. Still though, this guy does show some promise.

Jewish Rabbi · 07-27-2018, 01:54 PM

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VAChief Comfortably Numb Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Virginia	Too bad you can’t send veterans down to the minors. Fowler and Ozuna need a DL “rehab” stint. They need to see what they might have in ONeill on a more consistent basis at this level. He has cut his K rate and upped his walks since going back down and is still crushing it.
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Marco Polo Veteran Marco Polo's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 41°59.4′N 87°39.6'W	Cardinals acquired RHP Seth Elledge from the Mariners for RHP Sam Tuivailala. Ranked by MLB.com as the Mariners' No. 10 prospect Elledge holds a 1.17 ERA and 54/15 K/BB ratio over 38 1/3 innings at the High-A level this season. The 22-year-old will be promoted to Double-A Springfield to start his tenure with the Cards and could move quickly. Tuivailala holds a 3.04 ERA across 74 relief innings over the last two seasons but hasn't missed as many bats (60 strikeouts) as his velocity suggests he should. Still, he's a quality middle relief addition for the Mariners and is under team control through 2022.
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Marco Polo Veteran Marco Polo's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 41°59.4′N 87°39.6'W	Cardinals designated LHP Tyler Lyons for assignment. Lyons posted an 8.64 ERA over 27 relief appearances for the Cards this season while battling back and elbow issues. He's been awfully good in the past, though, including in 2017 when he held a 2.83 ERA with 68 strikeouts over 54 frames. Lyons is also under team control through 2020, so he could garner some interest on waivers or via trade.
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