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Old 01-22-2019, 01:45 PM  
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Bob Sutton Fired
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:07 PM   #226
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Like, as in DEPTH? Or as in he should be a 2 down guy?
No he can be good in Coverage, I dn what Sutton had him doing most of year. But he was never a attack the LoS guy in Dallas.

Sean Lee

and

Jaylon Smith

Those two manned the middle
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:08 PM   #227
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Maybe because their old, alcoholic GM is the one making the picks. Think that might have something to do with it?
You do realize that their last 5-7 drafts are full of pro-bowlers and All-Pros right?
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:09 PM   #228
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Look I'm just saying it took the Cowboys YEARS before they had a half way decent 4-3. Years of hitting on draft prospect AFTER DRAFT PROSPECT.

- Randy Gregory
- Leighton Vander Esch
- Jaylon Smith
- Demarcus Lawrence
- Maliek Collins
Look at you trying to sneak Randy Gregory in there as though that guy is worth a shit.

Randy Gregory sucks hard. Like, maybe not appreciably better than K-Pass or Speaks hard.
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:09 PM   #229
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I'm not celebrating much until we see the new hire. If it's a non attacking DC then we haven't gained anything.
Change is gaining something important. It’s called...hope.

If Reid hires from outside the organization, he’s actually done a real search. He’s a brilliant offensive mind. I’ll trust whom he brings in given that he has some sense of what can stop his offense in the current NFL. Much better than the CP experts at least.

This will be a fun part of the offseason.
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:10 PM   #230
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No, he said he wasn't playing because he needed time to learn the system.

So what you're saying is that a UDFA from Middle-Tennessee State couldn't be dropped onto an NFL field on day 1 and play as a starter?

Stunner.

Ward wasn't ready to play because of COURSE he wasn't ready to play. Most 1st rounders aren't quite ready for that transition at CB, let alone UDFA's who played at FCS schools. Don't you think you're reading a little too much into how that went down? It would have been something of a miracle for the guy to contribute in the first 6-8 weeks. Hell, we should consider ourselves pretty damn fortunate he came around by the time he did - it's no easy feat for an undrafted, small college player to transition to this level.
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:11 PM   #231
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I will reiterate that folks spent 4 years calling out Bob's schemes as too vanilla until the moment Parker said it was complicated and Petro started preaching it like the gospel.

That narrative NEVER existed until Ron Parker showed up and tried to defend his existence on the team when he knew his athleticism damn sure wouldn't do it for him.

I mean c'mon - did you see anything in that game that was hard to decipher? Read safety, kill play, rinse/repeat. It was fish in a barrel and it didn't take Tom Brady to prove it. Sutton may be rigid and he may be antiquated or too relaxed. There are a dozen reasons or more to criticize the job performance of Bob Sutton but 'complicated scheme' just ain't one of them from anything I ever saw from this squad.
That’s the thing

I feel that Sutton’s defense is hard to learn, but easy for NFL quarterbacks to read. That’ll get a coach fired quick
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Look at you trying to sneak Randy Gregory in there as though that guy is worth a shit.

Randy Gregory sucks hard. Like, maybe not appreciably better than K-Pass or Speaks hard.
14 GP and 6 sacks............ I mean he hasn't seen the field much but considering the same amount of games played he has more sacks than those guys combined.
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:15 PM   #233
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You do realize that their last 5-7 drafts are full of pro-bowlers and All-Pros right?
Full? Of defensive pro bowlers and all pros?

They took a chance on Jaylon Smith and it worked out for them. Other than that....it's been Awuzie, Lawrence and Byron Jones. And Jones wasn't that great his first year. It took Richard to turn him into something good.
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:16 PM   #234
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We're RUNNING a 4-3, we're GOING back to playing Chiefs Defense, and that's the END OF THE GODDAMNED DEBATE.
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:20 PM   #235
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Full? Of defensive pro bowlers and all pros?

They took a chance on Jaylon Smith and it worked out for them. Other than that....it's been Awuzie, Lawrence and Byron Jones. And Jones wasn't that great his first year. It took Richard to turn him into something good.
Jones worked out because he got switched back to his natural position
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:20 PM   #236
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Full? Of defensive pro bowlers and all pros?

They took a chance on Jaylon Smith and it worked out for them. Other than that....it's been Awuzie, Lawrence and Byron Jones. And Jones wasn't that great his first year. It took Richard to turn him into something good.
Don't listen to him he has no idea what he's talking about. He keeps overrating the Cowboys front 7 like they didn't just change to Kris Richard re-scheming the secondary to a more Seahawks single high coverage, which in return made Jones and the secondary way better. The front 7 hasn't changed. It's still Demarcus Lawrence and Tyrone Crawford doing all the heavy lifting and like you said them taking a flyer on Jaylen Smith and hitting gold.
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Defensive rankings of Richard when he was the DC in Seattle


Team's Ranks Table
OverallDefenseRushing DefPassing Def
YearTmRoleTmsWL%T/GPts±Yds±YdsPtsTkAAttYdsTDY/AFRAttYdsTDIntnY/A
2015SEADC328541211621104161121135
2016SEADC32816655322257221195832115
2017SEADC321181313111392319221471767136

Data courtesy Pro-Football-Reference.com.
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:27 PM   #239
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On running downs you would be correct. But a DE's primary job in a 4-3 is rushing the passer.
When I played 4-3 DE my first job was to contain the play. No sweeps, runs or QB roll outs around the end. Always force the play inside where LB's and backs can make the play. Sacks happened when the DT's did their job and pushed back the pocket..
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As long as they go outside the organization, I'm fine with whomever we get. I'm willing to trust that Reid isn't ****ing around and will really go and bring in the guy he thinks is best.
Reid once hired Juan Castillo as his Defensive Coordinator. Juan Castillo, who joined the Eagles as an offensive assistant, then was promoted to Tight Ends coach, then promoted to Offensive Line coach, and THEN promoted to Defensive Coordinator because he played linebacker and coached defense at a high school.

And then Reid kept Sutton this year, and repeatedly praised Sutton after the games, for making "great" adjustments at half time.

So, I am hoping that Veatch and even Clark Hunt will have input on who becomes the next DC.

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