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Old 09-16-2019, 04:17 PM  
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Schefter: Jalen Ramsey has asked for a trade
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Old 09-17-2019, 12:47 PM   #1231
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Everyone knows you will be totally flipping this position if the Pats trade for him.

I'll post it right now -- the Patriots will NOT trade for him and, in my view, would be idiots if they did. They (unlike the Chiefs) do NOT need any more cornerbacks, and I find it highly unlikely that BB would trade two 1sts and give up a ton of cap space, when they are already tight for him.

But the cost/benefit isn't there. Pats already have an elite DB corps.
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Old 09-17-2019, 12:49 PM   #1232
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Old 09-17-2019, 12:50 PM   #1233
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This is that story we get every year where everybody says "we need to get this guy" and we never do.
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Old 09-17-2019, 12:51 PM   #1234
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NO! Absolutely not 10 out of 10 times. The questions are:

1. Is the "elite talent" cheap, or are you paying a premium? If you're trading a 1st for an "elite" talent who is getting, or soon will get, top of the market dollars, then you have given up BOTH a pick AND salary cap space. Maybe that's worth doing, but maybe not.

2. Is the "elite talent" going to fit your scheme, and your team? Both in terms of how much of an upgrade is the guy over your current guys, and how his personality and work ethic will fit in your locker room. You don't just get the talent, you get THE ENTIRE GUY. All the good AND the bad. There's usually a reason the guy is on teh trading block. Other teams dont' drop elite talent for no reason.

3. What is the cost in picks. A 7th? Ok. A 1st? Will it be a low 1st (Pats/Chiefs?) or a high 1st (jets/'pins). More than one pick? How many? What rounds?

So it's nowhere near 10 out of 10 times. It's very situational.

Proven talent > picks. That's true. But there's a definite cost. Picks are the best way to accrue cheap talent you can control for years.
This is all true. But this is also not a game of scarcity as if this kind of move somehow happens in a vacuum apart from potential future deals - whatever they are tentatively thinking on future deals is a part of the equation that helps make this kind of decision 10 out 10 easy or much more complex. D-Rob and Mecole continue to step up over the next few weeks and Sammy continues to ball, we get back a pick and a little bit of salary relief by trading Watkins. We don't need to get back the 1st rounder - we just get back some value. Same with Chris Jones, if he just wants to be PAID...especially if we go to the SB and win it.
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Old 09-17-2019, 12:51 PM   #1235
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This is that story we get every year where everybody says "we need to get this guy" and we never do.
But we NEED to get this guy.
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Old 09-17-2019, 12:52 PM   #1236
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Jax wants 2 firsts?


No way I'd make that trade.
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Old 09-17-2019, 12:53 PM   #1237
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Someone explain to me why we can’t trade for him as a rental, use him to win a ring, and then after the Super Bowl, flip him to another team for their first rounder that would be a higher pick than our original first round pick was?

Because the team that would trade a 1st to YOU *after* this year will presumably trade a 1st to the JAGS *now*, so your scenario seems unlikely.

Plus, you're presumptively going to have a bottom 4 at least pick in the 1st round. Everyone else's 1st round pick is worth more than yours.

PLUS you're an AFC powerhouse. The Jags are also in the AFC. If all else is equal, they will trade him to the NFC instead.

Welcome to being a Big Dog, but that's the math. Get used to it...
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Old 09-17-2019, 12:54 PM   #1238
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I'll post it right now -- the Patriots will NOT trade for him and, in my view, would be idiots if they did. They (unlike the Chiefs) do NOT need any more cornerbacks, and I find it highly unlikely that BB would trade two 1sts and give up a ton of cap space, when they are already tight for him.

But the cost/benefit isn't there. Pats already have an elite DB corps.
New conspiracy theory: NE working the phones, trying to drive up the price. Also offering a bevy of under-inflated footballs to any team willing to outbid the Chiefs.
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Old 09-17-2019, 12:54 PM   #1239
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Old 09-17-2019, 12:54 PM   #1240
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Y'all can take Terez to be gospel all you want, but up until the day the news broke, he constantly reiterated that no one in the organization had mentioned to him that they were in on Earl Thomas.

The guy is a fantastic news reporter – my favorite. But the Chiefs aren't stupid. They aren't going to give information to an insider to run online with that would drive up the asking price.
I don't think the Chiefs were gonna trade for Thomas. Beach likes to act like we were going to do a trade or sign a player until it was too late. They had no interest to trade for him and give him a big deal, cuz if they wanted to they would have signed him this off season. He is just older than Veachs typical guy he signs.
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No way I'd make that trade.
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It doesn’t HAVE to be Ramsey but we do need to get someone at some point. Hopefully Arizona sucks.
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No way I'd make that trade.
Love seeing our trade for Clark being equivocated to Texans trade for Tunsil.
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Old 09-17-2019, 12:56 PM   #1244
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This is all true. But this is also not a game of scarcity as if this kind of move somehow happens in a vacuum apart from potential future deals - whatever they are tentatively thinking on future deals is a part of the equation that helps make this kind of decision 10 out 10 easy or much more complex. D-Rob and Mecole continue to step up over the next few weeks and Sammy continues to ball, we get back a pick and a little bit of salary relief by trading Watkins. We don't need to get back the 1st rounder - we just get back some value. Same with Chris Jones, if he just wants to be PAID...especially if we go to the SB and win it.

Dont' get me wrong -- this deal is worth thinking about for the Chiefs. You f'ing know that you're facing the Pats in the AFCCG. You know that your WRs > Pats WRs, but not by a helluva lot IF Brown is playing.

You also know that Pats DBs/Defense >> Chiefs DBs/Defense and that Jalen Brown could help quite a bit with that.

It's definitely worth thinking about. The cost is high, but maybe you do have to pay it. I don't know.
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Old 09-17-2019, 12:56 PM   #1245
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No way I'd make that trade.
Its 2 32's it's not like it's pick 8 and 17
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