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FloridaMan88 · 02-02-2009, 09:59 AM

As if they hadn't started already...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also

Matt Cassel draws interest

TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week.

With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him.

The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs.

“I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.”

Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job.

“I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them.

“But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.”

Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate.

Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago.

As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice.

The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection.

“I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”

milkman · 02-02-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

There is no Peyton Manning in this years draft, and probably not a Ben Roethlisberger either. If there was a Peyton Manning I would be all for using our #3 for him.

There may not be a Peyton Manning in this draft, but the Colts didn't know they were getting the Peyton Manning they got when they drafted him.

The Colts had questions about Manning when they drafted him, and Polian said they went back and forth and didn't make the decsion to draft him until the very last minute.

There is no such thing as a sure thing in the draft.

Mecca · 02-02-2009, 08:20 PM

If the Chiefs don't take a QB and the guy they pass on one or both of them turn into franchise QB, all of the same people that didn't want a QB will be calling them stupid ****s.

Mecca · 02-02-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

NFL player personnel men throughout the league disagree vehemently with this.

But if Mecca says so...

Because teams just tip their hands 3 months before the draft...

DJ's left nut · 02-02-2009, 08:21 PM

Ultimately I think the Chiefs probably have to take a QB.

But to say there's absolutely nothing wrong with Mark Sanchez just reeks of fanboy.

Mecca · 02-02-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ultimately I think the Chiefs probably have to take a QB.

But to say there's absolutely nothing wrong with Mark Sanchez just reeks of fanboy.

Tell me what's wrong with him...really I'd love to hear all these supposed problems he has.

I'm extremely hard on prospects that have top 5 grades by the way.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-02-2009, 08:27 PM

There wasn't one person who thought that Flacco would be as good as he was.

There is no way to know if Sanchez or Stafford is Flacco or Ryan without finding the hell out.

RustShack · 02-02-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

NFL player personnel men throughout the league disagree vehemently with this.

But if Mecca says so...

They also doubted Manning coming out. There will never, and never has been a player that everyone pegged as great. Hell, almost every year the guy thats supposed to be the safest bet ends up being the bust.

ChiefsCountry · 02-02-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

We all want that, but I don't think there is one available this year.

You are right not one but two.

RustShack · 02-02-2009, 08:29 PM

If Stafford and Sanchez played in spread offenses they would have put up huge stats, and you all would love them because the media would then tell you they will be great because of the stats they put up.

splatbass · 02-02-2009, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

If the Chiefs don't take a QB and the guy they pass on one or both of them turn into franchise QB, all of the same people that didn't want a QB will be calling them stupid ****s.

And if the Chiefs take Stafford or Sanchez and they turn out to be a bust, all the people that wanted them will do the same.

And if a pig had wings it could fly.

"If" doesn't mean much.

Mecca · 02-02-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

If Stafford and Sanchez played in spread offenses they would have put up huge stats, and you all would love them because the media would then tell you they will be great because of the stats they put up.

People around here seem to think Sam Bradford is a better prospect than Mark Sanchez, it's laughable.

Big 12 spread baby!

Mecca · 02-02-2009, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splatbass

And if the Chiefs take Stafford or Sanchez and they turn out to be a bust, all the people that wanted them will do the same.

And if a pig had wings it could fly.

"If" doesn't mean much.

If you don't like these guys you are never going to like a QB because no one is a stone cold lock, we hear this argument every year "these Qb's aren't worth it" you can't make that argument every year unless you are just going to admit you frankly do not ever want to pick a QB.

RustShack · 02-02-2009, 08:36 PM

You say some people say Sanchez isn't worth the pick, while most do. OK serious question, who the **** are these people? Do they work for NFL teams? Do you know what NFL teams really think of these players? If these gurus are so great why the **** aren't they working for a team? Why do you think Stafford and Sanchez suck? Is is because they don't play in the spread offense so they didn't put up Bradfords stats? Do you know who Colt Brennan is?

splatbass · 02-02-2009, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

If you don't like these guys you are never going to like a QB because no one is a stone cold lock, we hear this argument every year "these Qb's aren't worth it" you can't make that argument every year unless you are just going to admit you frankly do not ever want to pick a QB.

Not true. I would have taken Peyton at #3 in a second.

splatbass · 02-02-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Do you know who Colt Brennan is?

Yup, I watched pretty much every game he played in at UH. You might notice my sig.....

I wouldn't draft him at #3 either......

02-02-2009, 09:59 AM
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses FloridaMan88's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL	And so the "Matt Cassel to KC" Rumors Begin... As if they hadn't started already... http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also Matt Cassel draws interest TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week. With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him. The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs. “I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.” Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job. “I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them. “But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.” Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate. Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago. As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice. The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection. “I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”
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The Bad Guy Scott Pioli The Bad Guy's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana	There wasn't one person who thought that Flacco would be as good as he was. There is no way to know if Sanchez or Stafford is Flacco or Ryan without finding the hell out.
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RustShack **** That Noise RustShack's Avatar Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice	If Stafford and Sanchez played in spread offenses they would have put up huge stats, and you all would love them because the media would then tell you they will be great because of the stats they put up.
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RustShack **** That Noise RustShack's Avatar Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice	You say some people say Sanchez isn't worth the pick, while most do. OK serious question, who the ** are these people? Do they work for NFL teams? Do you know what NFL teams really think of these players? If these gurus are so great why the ** aren't they working for a team? Why do you think Stafford and Sanchez suck? Is is because they don't play in the spread offense so they didn't put up Bradfords stats? Do you know who Colt Brennan is?
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