***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Baby Lee]

Oh great, now liquor stores don't even care about our health!?!?!?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I certainly hope not, but I don't think anyone can say for sure. In 1918, the second wave was roughly 4 times as bad as the first wave, and if we're seeing 8-10k people die per day in the fall, I find it hard to imagine not shutting things back down. Hopefully people are smart and do what they can to reduce the spread regardless of how it comes back.

You would set the country back a decade. It's not even on the table.
They would mandate mask before restricting commerce.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Oh great, now liquor stores don't even care about our health!?!?!?

Why wouldn't they care?

[tk13]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

You would set the country back a decade. It's not even on the table.
They would mandate mask before restricting commerce.

Some people have never understood this. If the pandemic truly gets that bad, it's going to wreck the economy.

You're coming at this from the illusion that you have a choice. You don't. The choice was to get out in front of this thing when we had the chance. We didn't. I said back in March that was the choice, and I'm going to be right. The economy, the stock market, it ain't recovering until there's consumer confidence that this virus is licked. We're going to probably live through two years of a roller coaster economy and all these ups and downs like we're seeing today. Spikes and shutdowns and just a lot of uncertainty.

Your best way out is hoping this mutates in some way that makes it peter out. If it comes back in the fall in a severe way, it's going to do damage.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by tk13

Some people have never understood this. If the pandemic truly gets that bad, it's going to wreck the economy.

You're coming at this from the illusion that you have a choice. You don't. The choice was to get out in front of this thing when we had the chance. We didn't. I said back in March that was the choice, and I'm going to be right. The economy, the stock market, it ain't recovering until there's consumer confidence that this virus is licked. We're going to probably live through two years of a roller coaster economy and all these ups and downs like we're seeing today. Spikes and shutdowns and just a lot of uncertainty.

Your best way out is hoping this mutates in some way that makes it peter out. If it comes back in the fall in a severe way, it's going to do damage.

A lot of people just don't get this, they think it's a political argument with sides.

[WhawhaWhat]

BREAKING: Governor Parson announced the state will be lifting all statewide restrictions beginning June 16. https://t.co/WJmET5J6MX

— KRCG 13 (@KRCG13) June 11, 2020

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

A lot of people just don't get this, they think it's a political argument with sides.

And haircuts, don't forget haircuts.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by stumppy

And haircuts, don't forget haircuts.

sideburns apparently.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

BREAKING: Governor Parson announced the state will be lifting all statewide restrictions beginning June 16. https://t.co/WJmET5J6MX

— KRCG 13 (@KRCG13) June 11, 2020

Sweet.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Mecca

A lot of people just don't get this, they think it's a political argument with sides.

And you might have a blindspot to the congruence between the people you think you are criticizing and the people you are actually criticizing here, . . just a possibility.

[lewdog]

I don’t want to see a lockdown. No one does.

So do your part when you’re out. Wear a mask and social distance. We CAN slow the spread with basic guidelines if people would just do their part.

I went to an outlet mall store here this week. They limited it to 20 people inside at a time. I waited in line 10 minutes to get in with marks 6ft apart when waiting. Once in they wiped the counters between all customers and all staff was wearing masks. It felt pretty safe and even these basic measures will slow the spread and keep business open. You need 50%+ business/people doing it. Those not wanting to wear a mask because of “freedom” will cause a lockdown in certain States. Their actions will literally force the governments hand for something they say they’re against.

[KCUnited]

Feel like that horse left the barn, thought better and sprinted back to donkey kick us all in the nuts before running off into the horizon.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by lewdog

I don’t want to see a lockdown. No one does.

So do your part when you’re out. Wear a mask and social distance. We CAN slow the spread with basic guidelines if people would just do their part.

I went to an outlet mall store here this week. They limited it to 20 people inside at a time. I waited in line 10 minutes to get in with marks 6ft apart when waiting. Once in they wiped the counters between all customers and all staff was wearing masks. It felt pretty safe and even these basic measures will slow the spread and keep business open. You need 50%+ business/people doing it. Those not wanting to wear a mask because of “freedom” will cause a lockdown in certain States. Their actions will literally force the governments hand for something they say they’re against.

Went through BK drive through at lunch, I was craving a whopper for some reason.

Kid working the drive through was wearing a mask. I shit you not, I was watching him run my card and he pulled down his mask and coughed and then put his mask back on.

I was going to say something but decided it was likely not going to be worth my time.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Went through BK drive through at lunch, I was craving a whopper for some reason.

Kid working the drive through was wearing a mask. I shit you not, I was watching him run my card and he pulled down his mask and coughed and then put his mask back on.

I was going to say something but decided it was likely not going to be worth my time.

I don't know whether to or .

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

I don’t want to see a lockdown. No one does.

So do your part when you’re out. Wear a mask and social distance. We CAN slow the spread with basic guidelines if people would just do their part.

I went to an outlet mall store here this week. They limited it to 20 people inside at a time. I waited in line 10 minutes to get in with marks 6ft apart when waiting. Once in they wiped the counters between all customers and all staff was wearing masks. It felt pretty safe and even these basic measures will slow the spread and keep business open. You need 50%+ business/people doing it. Those not wanting to wear a mask because of “freedom” will cause a lockdown in certain States. Their actions will literally force the governments hand for something they say they’re against.

WTF was all this concern when thousands and thousands of people running through the streets?