So Just What Do We All Want Stadium-Wise?

[GabyKeepsMeWarm]

This is a Chiefs board, so I know and expect to see some obvious bias toward the Chiefs over the Royals in this forum. This is weighted even moreso towards the Chiefs favor due to their incredible run over the past six years.

I know we all love the Chiefs, but there are a lot of Royals fans too. KC has historically been a very, very good sports town, and great host for the Chiefs and Royals. Weird that the teams never seem to be good at the same time, though maybe that will change if BWJr and the boys in blue can get something going during what is now the Mahomes Era.

But I digress... sorry, I get long-winded sometimes. What do we all want stadium-wise going forward? Enough of this sky is falling horseshit where both teams are getting their ducks in a row to get the hell out of KC. I don't buy that for a second. Maybe you don't agree, that's fine. But I really want to know what the people of this board would like to see happen, because there will be another vote within the next year or two with future proposals. So what do we want these proposals to ideally be?

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Level Bally’s and put the Royals on the riverfront, near the current stadium. Activate the riverfront and what a sight coming in town from the north.

Keep Arrowhead where it is at. Modernize the finishes, but don’t screw with the seating. But bring back the rolling roof that will cover the stadium or a performance pavilion of sort adjacent to it.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I love Arrowhead and the gameday experience. And I'm not a Jackson County taxpayer.

But I'm also realistic and Arrowhead is on borrowed time. That being the case, there's no sense in limping along here. The stadium was built in such a way that it just cannot continue to keep pace with other franchises through renovation. And if we are going to be (and should be) a crown jewel franchise for the next 10-15 years (and hell, we weren't dogfood before Mahomes), that's not tenable.

So I think I'm ready for a new stadium. And if that stadium is going to be done well, it's not going to be in Jackson County. So if that means a move to Wyandotte, I'll set my anti-Kansas bias aside because it's probably best for the Chiefs long-term.

So include me in the 'new stadium near the Legends' crowd. Or wherever it will need to go to get the kind of revenue that would make building a true state of the art stadium worthwhile for Hunt and the residents of wherever it's gonna go...

I expect that means a dome for a future SB or other events. And I hate that. So my compromise would be one where there are rules in place for when the roof can be used. I can't recall which stadium did that, but there's a baseball stadium somewhere that has it written into the lease that the roof cannot be closed on days where the weather is between X and Y degrees and there's no rain.

Would I miss the snow games? Yeah. Would I miss rain and frigid cold? No, not really. And again, that's going to mean a hell of a lot more revenue and thus more willingness by Hunt to pull out some of the stops and make this a stadium worthy of replacing an icon.

What I don't want to see is what the Cardinals did in STL. They tore down Busch II and replaced it with a generic retro ballpark that just isn't special in any way because they did it on the cheap. Man I'd hate to see that (and I worry that's what's in store for Kaufman, which is just an incredible place to catch a baseball game to this day. They're going to replace it with something that isn't as good)

So I have a question for you and other folks on here who say new stadium in Kansas. A quick look at the numbers and if I'm wrong please correct me. The total Kansas 2023 budget was 9 billion, Kansas City's budget was 2 billion, Missouri's was 44 billion.

What would stop a new stadium being built in say Lee's Summit? If it comes down to money Kansas is out gunned by a wide margin

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

How come Green Bay is perfectly able to renovate Lambeau and keep it relevant but Arrowhead is on borrowed time and there’s simply no way to keep it viable?

Most of what they've done are the sort of superficial improvements that the Chiefs made, what, 10 years ago? 15? Something like that. The Rivers fumbled snap game was the unveiling.

And hell man, maybe it was just built better. Or is in a better location.

It's just silly to keep throwing a billion dollars every 15 years or so at a stadium in an area that simply is NOT going to develop. It doesn't make sense for anybody involved. It's why Clark was only willing to pay 1/3 of that and the Jackson County taxpayers weren't willing to pay 2/3 of it.

They know that it's throwing good money after bad.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Blackjack and hookers

Um, I'll take hookers and blow for 1000, Alex,

[Megatron96]

All- you-can-eat pork belly burnt ends in 31 flavors and bottomless coffee cups filled with bourbon.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

So I have a question for you and other folks on here who say new stadium in Kansas. A quick look at the numbers and if I'm wrong please correct me. The total Kansas 2023 budget was 9 billion, Kansas City's budget was 2 billion, Missouri's was 44 billion.

What would stop a new stadium being built in say Lee's Summit? If it comes down to money Kansas is out gunned by a wide margin

Cool. Keep it in Missouri then. All the better.

Provided that you can find a location where business leaders are willing to invest and actually build the area.

Are they gonna spin the wheel and take their chances in Lee's Summit? Honestly, I kinda doubt it.

I have no particular affinity for the Legends project specfically. I just want a damn nice new stadium if we're going to replace Arrowhead. And if that's the case, it's going to have to be somewhere that Clark and the local taxpayers will see a return. If you have a better spot, have at it.

(As for the Missouri Budget - that's not terribly relevant as St. Louis damn sure isn't chipping in to build a stadium in KC. And I don't think there's that same level of antipathy and/or regional loyalty in Kansas, though I could be wrong)

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Level Bally’s and put the Royals on the riverfront, near the current stadium. Activate the riverfront and what a sight coming in town from the north.

Keep Arrowhead where it is at. Modernize the finishes, but don’t screw with the seating. But bring back the rolling roof that will cover the stadium or a performance pavilion of sort adjacent to it.

Aren't you looking at probably a billion dollar outlay here for Arrowhead alone?

I dunno man, I just don't see Hunt (or Jackson County) signing off on that.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What I don't want to see is what the Cardinals did in STL. They tore down Busch II and replaced it with a generic retro ballpark that just isn't special in any way because they did it on the cheap. Man I'd hate to see that (and I worry that's what's in store for Kaufman, which is just an incredible place to catch a baseball game to this day. They're going to replace it with something that isn't as good)

All the major sports architecture firms are in KC. They aren't going to butcher their hometown stadium.

[FloridaMan88]

The Braves new stadium is a pretty sweet set-up.

It’s part of an entire entertainment district with shops/restaurants/hotels, called The Battery.

It’s in the suburbs, not downtown, but people don’t work as much downtown in offices anymore… especially in the summer… during this work from home era.

The Battery in Atlanta also has apartment homes nearby.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Cool. Keep it in Missouri then. All the better.

Provided that you can find a location where business leaders are willing to invest and actually build the area.

Are they gonna spin the wheel and take their chances in Lee's Summit? Honestly, I kinda doubt it.

I have no particular affinity for the Legends project specfically. I just want a damn nice new stadium if we're going to replace Arrowhead. And if that's the case, it's going to have to be somewhere that Clark and the local taxpayers will see a return. If you have a better spot, have at it.

(As for the Missouri Budget - that's not terribly relevant as St. Louis damn sure isn't chipping in to build a stadium in KC. And I don't think there's that same level of antipathy and/or regional loyalty in Kansas, though I could be wrong)

I'm with you. An unpopular opinion but that was another reason I wasn't motivated to vote "yes" on the vote that just failed. Spending hundreds of millions on Arrowhead is just throwing good after bad. As you stated Arrowhead simply cannot keep up with the current stadiums.

Lee's Summit is probably a bad example. Even if we separate the Royals from Chiefs which absolutely needs to happen we're stuck in the same spot where the Royals need to be the first domino to fall. Wether its they move to Kansas or the city bites the bullet and funds the Royals stadium downtown themselves. That certainly can be done but I'm not sure KC has the local leadership in place to make it happen.

But let's say the city does end up funding the Royals downtown. You then put the Chiefs on the ballot which IMO passes.

Sure Kansas could sweep in right now and steal one of them by throwing billions. Let's not forget there still is a lease in place for another 7 years. Kansas is going to throw billions and the teams are going to take on hundreds of millions on a lawsuit? Doubtful

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

All the major sports architecture firms are in KC. They aren't going to butcher their hometown stadium.

Yup let Populous & Burns McDonnell do their thing but please for the love of **** so NOT put Jeff Roe in charge of this ever again. For as good of a job he did with Ted Cruz & the Virginia Gov. There's Ron DeSantis and Amanda Atkins 2X. He is simply a liability the teams need to go outside the KC area for a PR team next time

[Balto]

Crazy idea but stay with me!

Move Royals downtown. Then instead of having the millions in the budget to take Royals stadium out just turn it into the practice/viewing stadium. Give players A+ facilities instead of F like we have now.

The way they can fund it is renovate to add a huge screen that will broadcast the live game next door in Arrowhead!

People will come tailgate with everyone else but come game time pay a fraction of the cost to come into Royals stadium and watch the live game on a huge Jumbotron screen. Still have all the beer and food vendors/restaurants like a real game.

Not only do you get away from the expense of demoing the stadium but you turn it into a revenue stream to give players state of the art facilities and help renovate Arrowhead.

Build the rolling roof and upgrade a few other thing at Arrowhead and call it a day!

[comochiefsfan]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I love Arrowhead and the gameday experience. And I'm not a Jackson County taxpayer.

But I'm also realistic and Arrowhead is on borrowed time. That being the case, there's no sense in limping along here. The stadium was built in such a way that it just cannot continue to keep pace with other franchises through renovation. And if we are going to be (and should be) a crown jewel franchise for the next 10-15 years (and hell, we weren't dogfood before Mahomes), that's not tenable.

So I think I'm ready for a new stadium. And if that stadium is going to be done well, it's not going to be in Jackson County. So if that means a move to Wyandotte, I'll set my anti-Kansas bias aside because it's probably best for the Chiefs long-term.


So include me in the 'new stadium near the Legends' crowd. Or wherever it will need to go to get the kind of revenue that would make building a true state of the art stadium worthwhile for Hunt and the residents of wherever it's gonna go...

I expect that means a dome for a future SB or other events. And I hate that. So my compromise would be one where there are rules in place for when the roof can be used. I can't recall which stadium did that, but there's a baseball stadium somewhere that has it written into the lease that the roof cannot be closed on days where the weather is between X and Y degrees and there's no rain.

Would I miss the snow games? Yeah. Would I miss rain and frigid cold? No, not really. And again, that's going to mean a hell of a lot more revenue and thus more willingness by Hunt to pull out some of the stops and make this a stadium worthy of replacing an icon.

What I don't want to see is what the Cardinals did in STL. They tore down Busch II and replaced it with a generic retro ballpark that just isn't special in any way because they did it on the cheap. Man I'd hate to see that (and I worry that's what's in store for Kaufman, which is just an incredible place to catch a baseball game to this day. They're going to replace it with something that isn't as good)

Yeah I don’t agree with you on Busch. I think it’s a really solid ballpark. Huge improvement over old Busch which was just a cookie cutter with a crown.

Kauffman is fine but without the fountains and the scoreboard there’s nothing about the stadium itself that sticks out to me as some amazing place to watch a game

But to each their own.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

What would stop a new stadium being built in say Lee's Summit? If it comes down to money Kansas is out gunned by a wide margin

Lee’s Summit is in Jackson County. The only hope on the Missouri side would be Clay County.

[Smed1065]

Originally Posted by Shaid

I'd like a well renovated Arrowhead with actually decent facilities, etc. but if you're gonna be getting close to a billion, you may as well do a completely new stadium just from a financial standpoint. Otherwise you spend that much and do another renovation in 15 years.

A brand new Arrowhead with modern tech.........