DT Thread

[JPH83]

The more I look at the class the more I think we need to sort DT in FA. We're either working miracles to keep Jones or we're going after 2 guys a tier or 2 lower than him. Fine to get a R4-5 guy in this draft but man there's not much earlier than that that appeals to me

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by JPH83

The more I look at the class the more I think we need to sort DT in FA. We're either working miracles to keep Jones or we're going after 2 guys a tier or 2 lower than him. Fine to get a R4-5 guy in this draft but man there's not much earlier than that that appeals to me

Plenty that appeal to me, but more in that 2nd and 3rd range than anything I'd even remotely consider in Round 1.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Plenty that appeal to me, but more in that 2nd and 3rd range than anything I'd even remotely consider in Round 1.

That's probably a fairer assessment. I just think it's a better FA class rhan draft. If Jones goes we're never replacing him 1 for 1. But there's enough DL talent in FA to think we could rebuild DT and maybe bolster DE for an equivalent cost.

If we then brought in a guy R2-3 to drip feed in that'd be fine by me. What's interesting to me is how little Veach has cared about the position. Is that just because we've had Jones filling the role of 2 people? Or does he just see the position as one you can fill cheaply. Should find out this year. So far rhe approach has worked pretty damn well.

[Couch-Potato]

Jenkin's sounds interesting:

"He made the 2023 list of Bruce Feldman Freaks at #6 - he said: "Jenkins recently did a Turkish get-up with a 170-pound dumbbell — the heaviest Herbert has ever witnessed. Jenkins does pull-ups with a 100-pound weight strapped to his waist. He also moves incredibly well for being a 300-plus pounder, running a 7.16 3-cone, a 4.33 shuttle, broad-jumping 9-8 and vertical-jumping 34 inches. Jenkins’ shuttle and 3-cone times are both almost two-tenths of a second faster than the quickest interior defensive lineman did at this year’s NFL combine. His broad jump would be tied for the best. His vertical jump would be second-best, and only Smith topped his number on the bench press."

[kcbubb]

I like Jenkins a lot. His athleticism shows on tape. He’s not as good with his hands as Newton but I love his long term upside.

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Jenkin's sounds interesting:

"He made the 2023 list of Bruce Feldman Freaks at #6 - he said: "Jenkins recently did a Turkish get-up with a 170-pound dumbbell — the heaviest Herbert has ever witnessed. Jenkins does pull-ups with a 100-pound weight strapped to his waist. He also moves incredibly well for being a 300-plus pounder, running a 7.16 3-cone, a 4.33 shuttle, broad-jumping 9-8 and vertical-jumping 34 inches. Jenkins’ shuttle and 3-cone times are both almost two-tenths of a second faster than the quickest interior defensive lineman did at this year’s NFL combine. His broad jump would be tied for the best. His vertical jump would be second-best, and only Smith topped his number on the bench press."

[wachashi]

Dane Brugler's Top 100 Big Board DT Rankings (2/13):

1. Byron Murphy II (15 overall)
2. Jer'Zhan Newton (30 overall)
3. T'Vondre Sweat (33 overall)
4. Ruke Orhorhoro (52 overall)
5. Kris Jenkins (66 overall)
6. Michael Hall Jr. (79 overall)
7. Brandon Dorlus (83 overall)
8. Braden Fiske (90 overall)

[Nightfyre]

Sign me up for some Sweat with Cullen and our group to help him with the maturity. If he falls deeper in the second that is.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Sign me up for some Sweat with Cullen and our group to help him with the maturity. If he falls deeper in the second that is.

With Jones back, Sweat next to him gives me a chub to be honest. I'd take Sweat in the 1st though.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by kccrow

With Jones back, Sweat next to him gives me a chub to be honest. I'd take Sweat in the 1st though.

Couldn't agree with you more! He was the first name that caught my attention and prompted me to start researching this year's draft. Shame Omenihu's injured, but assuming he came back healthy to play for the Chiefs how the hell would any team guard that front!? Karlaftis, Jones, Sweat, Omenihu! That's 3 guys that eat double teams for breakfast and 5 guys including FAU that can get after the QB!

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up going in the 20's though, he had a 15.4% pass rush win ratio from the NT position at Texas! That's tied with Newton by the way who's 72 lbs lighter than Sweat.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by kccrow

With Jones back, Sweat next to him gives me a chub to be honest. I'd take Sweat in the 1st though.

I agree here. If we had a dominant, large run stuffing DT that could play next to Chris Jones, I’d be really excited to see them play together. Sweat can get some push on the pass also. Sweat gets double teamed a lot. I’m not sure how you can double team sweat with Chris jones next to him. He doesn’t have to get the sack, sweat just needs to get a pressure and get the qb to move or disrupt the timing and someone else like karlaftis could get the sack. I love sweat next to Chris jones. I think our dline would be really hard to stop with that combination.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I agree here. If we had a dominant, large run stuffing DT that could play next to Chris Jones, I’d be really excited to see them play together. Sweat can get some push on the pass also. Sweat gets double teamed a lot. I’m not sure how you can double team sweat with Chris jones next to him. He doesn’t have to get the sack, sweat just needs to get a pressure and get the qb to move or disrupt the timing and someone else like karlaftis could get the sack. I love sweat next to Chris jones. I think our dline would be really hard to stop with that combination.

After watching some Sweat, I do think you would have to pick your snaps with him and rotate accordingly. But I have a hard time seeing him play much north of half the snaps for a given game, which does affect my valuation of him. But those snaps where he isn't gassed would be electric next to Jones

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

After watching some Sweat, I do think you would have to pick your snaps with him and rotate accordingly. But I have a hard time seeing him play much north of half the snaps for a given game, which does affect my valuation of him. But those snaps where he isn't gassed would be electric next to Jones

None of our DTs outside of Jones play more than about 45% of the snaps anyhow. I don't particularly consider snap% for DTs as much in evaluations of them as I would at other positions. I just don't think it's a prerequisite, and especially at NT.

[wachashi]

This guy is a monster.

There's only so much you can do to slow down 360+ pounds.

T'Vondre Sweat is inevitable when he wants to be. pic.twitter.com/oWTi3pvjUj

— Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) January 31, 2024

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by wachashi

This guy is a monster.

There's only so much you can do to slow down 360+ pounds.

T'Vondre Sweat is inevitable when he wants to be. pic.twitter.com/oWTi3pvjUj

— Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) January 31, 2024

Both of the UT defensive tackles should be on our radar. Those two and Newton are guys I'm awfully intrigued by.