NFL MVP... Brees or Mahomes

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by In58men

Did this ninja say Goff over Brees?

Homie must have used Everclear to baste his ****ing turkey.

houstonwhodat is that you?

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by In58men

Did this ninja say Goff over Brees?

Homie must have used Everclear to baste his ****ing turkey.

Mods? Virulent racism?

[cooper barrett]

I'll give it to Brees unless Mahomes tears it out of his paws in a SB victory. Mahomes still deserves a nod at the award but Brees will be playing and winning a SB this year....Mahomes???

Brees, Saints hand Rams first loss of the season, 45-35

[ChiefsFanatic]

What I hate is that every talking head that supports Brees as MVP talks about how he has never won an MVP and they use that fact as one of the deciding factors in believing he should be the MVP.

It's not a damn lifetime achievement award, and a player missing out in past seasons should have absolutely zero impact on who wins it this year.

And this may sound controversial, and I don't mean it to be, but I personally feel like if one of the young white quarterbacks was having the same statistical season that Mahomes is having, people would not be advocating so much for Brees.

I know that other black QBs have won MVP, but if Mayfield or Wentz had Mahomes' stat line and their teams were 9-2, I think the narrative would change. Right now the narrative is that wow, Mahomes is having an amazing, record breaking season, but it's just too bad for him because Drew Brees is playing great again and he since he has never been named MVP in the past, he will finally get the MVP he has deserved for so long.

But if it was Mayfield or Wentz the narrative would be that wow, Brees is playing unbelievable football, it's just unfortunate that he would be having a career season at the same time that Mayfield (or Carson) is making a push to set the passing TD record in his first season as a starting QB.

This season I would take a Super Bowl win, or even just a Super Bowl appearance, over Mahomes being named MVP in a heartbeat. But I also hate the idea of the MVP award being decided based on what a player has done in prior seasons.

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[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

What I hate is that every talking head that supports Brees as MVP talks about how he has never won an MVP and they use that fact as one of the deciding factors in believing he should be the MVP.

It's not a damn lifetime achievement award, and a player missing out in past seasons should have absolutely zero impact on who wins it this year.

And this may sound controversial, and I don't mean it to be, but I personally feel like if one of the young white quarterbacks was having the same statistical season that Mahomes is having, people would not be advocating so much for Brees.

I know that other black QBs have won MVP, but if Mayfield or Wentz had Mahomes' stat line and their teams were 9-2, I think the narrative would change. Right now the narrative is that wow, Mahomes is having an amazing, record breaking season, but it's just too bad for him because Drew Brees is playing great again and he since he has never been named MVP in the past, he will finally get the MVP he has deserved for so long.

But if it was Mayfield or Wentz the narrative would be that wow, Brees is playing unbelievable football, it's just unfortunate that he would be having a career season at the same time that Mayfield (or Carson) is making a push to set the passing TD record in his first season as a starting QB.

This season I would take a Super Bowl win, or even just a Super Bowl appearance, over Mahomes being named MVP in a heartbeat. But I also hate the idea of the MVP award being decided based on what a player has done in prior seasons.

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Meh. I know race plays a large role in the way people perceive things, but I'm not getting that kind of vibe with the Mahomes vs Brees debate.

[bradael]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

What I hate is that every talking head that supports Brees as MVP talks about how he has never won an MVP and they use that fact as one of the deciding factors in believing he should be the MVP.

It's not a damn lifetime achievement award, and a player missing out in past seasons should have absolutely zero impact on who wins it this year.

That's the talking point only because he's 39 years old, and not that he doesn't deserve it this year.

Simple fact is that if the season ends right now, the Saints finished with a better record and Brees had a better year. This would be the exact same situation we saw play out in 2011 with Aaron Rodgers finishing with the best passer rating in NFL history while Brees also had a historically great season including more TDs, a better completion %, and way more passing yards than Rodgers. But his team was 13-3 vs Rodgers's 15-1, and Rodgers had a better passer rating.

Brees won offensive player of the year, while Mahomes would likely win it this year with Brees winning MVP.

That being said, people need to stop moving goalposts on this award. Brees should have won in 2009. #1 seed, more TDs, better completion %, fewer INTs, and much better passer rating than Peyton, but Peyton still won it because people thought the Saints were going to be one and done in the playoffs.

If Brees wins, his critics will say he only won because it's a lifetime achievement award, which is complete BS. Mahomes is having an all time great season, but Brees is having the most efficient season ever for a QB to this point. Plus his team has the best record.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by bradael

That's the talking point only because he's 39 years old, and not that he doesn't deserve it this year.

Simple fact is that if the season ends right now, the Saints finished with a better record and Brees had a better year. This would be the exact same situation we saw play out in 2011 with Aaron Rodgers finishing with the best passer rating in NFL history while Brees also had a historically great season including more TDs, a better completion %, and way more passing yards than Rodgers. But his team was 13-3 vs Rodgers's 15-1, and Rodgers had a better passer rating.

Brees won offensive player of the year, while Mahomes would likely win it this year with Brees winning MVP.

That being said, people need to stop moving goalposts on this award. Brees should have won in 2009. #1 seed, more TDs, better completion %, fewer INTs, and much better passer rating than Peyton, but Peyton still won it because people thought the Saints were going to be one and done in the playoffs.

If Brees wins, his critics will say he only won because it's a lifetime achievement award, which is complete BS. Mahomes is having an all time great season, but Brees is having the most efficient season ever for a QB to this point. Plus his team has the best record.

Peyton won in 2009 cuz he had more yards, 1 less td and he had 7 game winning drives. He definitely deserved it over Brees.

2011 I could see going either way. Brees had only 1 more td pass, but 8 more INTs. Brees had alot more yards, but he also threw the ball 155 more times than Rodgers. Honestly I could see it going either way.

[Hammock Parties]

This is the fourth time the Saints have won a game this year with Brees throwing for less than 250 yards.

Must be nice to lean on that defense and running game when you have that "not-so-valuable" feeling.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

This is the fourth time the Saints have won a game this year with Brees throwing for less than 250 yards.

Must be nice to lean on that defense and running game when you have that "not-so-valuable" feeling.

What about all those 7-9 years he was overlooked as the MVP of the league tho?!?!?!

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamel...580/drew-brees

loved his game against the Giants 18-32 for 217 yards and zero td/int

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

What about all those 7-9 years he was overlooked as the MVP of the league tho?!?!?!

Others were just more deserving.

Boo hoo.

[Best22]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

What about all those 7-9 years he was overlooked as the MVP of the league tho?!?!?!

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamel...580/drew-brees

loved his game against the Giants 18-32 for 217 yards and zero td/int

#1 criteria for winning MVP: Make the playoffs.

If you don’t qualify, you are no MVP

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by Best22

#1 criteria for winning MVP: Make the playoffs.

If you don’t qualify, you are no MVP

7-9 4 out of the last 6 years is quite a feat though, comparable to whom throughout history?

[cooper barrett]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

This is the fourth time the Saints have won a game this year with Brees throwing for less than 250 yards.

Must be nice to lean on that defense and running game when you have that "not-so-valuable" feeling.

Great QB's don't have to make the passing game the only game. Would you knock Mahomes for the same stats in a game,

Go squeeze your Ketchup bottle...

[Best22]

Originally Posted by cooper barrett

Great QB's don't have to make the passing game the only game. Would you knock Mahomes for the same stats in a game,

Go squeeze your Ketchup bottle...

I’d love it if Mahomes could throw for 170 yards and the Chiefs could still win by 14.

But that’s not possible. Mahomes has to put up big numbers every game otherwise KC loses