Ranking Chiefs GMs, coaches, best-worst players 89-19

[AdolfOliverBush]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And while Elvis Grbac was by no means a real success here, he was also not clearly worse than someone like Jimmy Grapes - he just didn't have the surrounding cast Garappolo had.

You bastard.

Grbitch was and is a wart on the face of humanity. He should feel blessed for never being tossed into a acidic rape fire by Chiefs fans.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Steve Bono was the only egregiously stupid decision he made at quarterback when you consider the majority if the era he operated in. By the end of his run, the worm had started to turn but through most of his Chiefs career, he made decisions that were reasonable when they were made. And even then, can you imagine a scenario in the modern draft when "These two quarterbacks are vying for 1.1!" yields the loser a slide all the way down to 24?

Bono decision in 1995 was one where Montana kind of put them in a pickle. Montana didn't officially retire until April of that year. Kind of hard to go out in free agency or trade for a QB if you don't really officially know what Montana was going to do. Then kind of hard to replace a QB that just went 13-3 unfortunately. Takes a lot of stones to do that and most personal types won't do that do.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Bono decision in 1995 was one where Montana kind of put them in a pickle. Montana didn't officially retire until April of that year. Kind of hard to go out in free agency or trade for a QB if you don't really officially know what Montana was going to do. Then kind of hard to replace a QB that just went 13-3 unfortunately. Takes a lot of stones to do that and most personal types won't do that do.

Fair, but I also remember Montana being something of a Roaf situation (and Shields for a bit) where he didn't officially retire until fairly late in the game but the feeling around the organization and the city was that it was all but inevitable.

Dude was 38 years old and was clearly in sharp decline. He'd had significant injuries in like 4-5 straight years. You simply cannot feign shock when he retires. They had to have a backup plan in place and just...didn't. How do you NOT have a guy like Chris Chandler on hand? Or draft a Todd Collins or Rob Johnson since you know that Montana's gone in a year tops? Those were successful major college QBs who could've been had in the 2nd and 4th rounds.

I mean....I guess I can give them the benefit of the doubt and say that was their plan with Steve Stenstrom but...Yikes.

Ultimately I don't fault him for most of what went on at QB for those years. But man, the Bono thing was just so !@#$ing awful and with even moderately credible QB play, they could've nabbed a ring in there. Any team that goes 13-3 w/ Bono under center could've won a SB with Chris Chandler. And I guess it's also fair to point out that we had Gannon, but that was on Marty. I think that was HIS major misstep. And not because he didn't play him, but because he simply didn't know how to use him. Gannon wasn't actually all that great here, but that was because Marty couldn't figure out what to do with him.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Fair, but I also remember Montana being something of a Roaf situation (and Shields for a bit) where he didn't officially retire until fairly late in the game but the feeling around the organization and the city was that it was all but inevitable.

Dude was 38 years old and was clearly in sharp decline. He'd had significant injuries in like 4-5 straight years. You simply cannot feign shock when he retires. They had to have a backup plan in place and just...didn't. How do you NOT have a guy like Chris Chandler on hand? Or draft a Todd Collins or Rob Johnson since you know that Montana's gone in a year tops? Those were successful major college QBs who could've been had in the 2nd and 4th rounds.

I mean....I guess I can give them the benefit of the doubt and say that was their plan with Steve Stenstrom but...Yikes.

Ultimately I don't fault him for most of what went on at QB for those years. But man, the Bono thing was just so !@#$ing awful and with even moderately credible QB play, they could've nabbed a ring in there. Any team that goes 13-3 w/ Bono under center could've won a SB with Chris Chandler. And I guess it's also fair to point out that we had Gannon, but that was on Marty. I think that was HIS major misstep. And not because he didn't play him, but because he simply didn't know how to use him. Gannon wasn't actually all that great here, but that was because Marty couldn't figure out what to do with him.

To also be fair to Carl, he did have a major woody for a college QB at that time who didn't fit in the era but would certainly have now. Would have been trend setting. Carl loved him some Charlie Ward. But Ward had legit NBA backup plans and wanted guarantied first round draft pick status. Tough pickle to be in for Carl.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's fair to point out that Peterson just operated in a different time.

And let's not forget that Peterson didn't **** up, like so many other GM's and teams have done when picking Top 5 in the NFL Draft.

He took Derrick Thomas with #4 overall instead of Broderick Thomas, who was also seen as a pass rushing monster (he had a nice career but obviously not a Hall of Fame career).

1993 was a phenomenal year for Peterson. He chose Will Shields, a future Hall of Famer, in the 3rd round of the draft, then gave up very little in acquiring Joe Montana and Marcus Allen. Sure, they fell short in the AFC Championship Game that year but what team could overcome losing their HOF QB in the first half of that game?

Carl's first 16 years were very successful but unfortunately, most people remember his final years from 2006-2008. Had Vermeil not insisted on Trent Green, I fully believe that Carl would have drafted Drew Brees with the 12th overall pick in 2001 but he trusted Vermeil way too much, IMO.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And let's not forget that Peterson didn't **** up, like so many other GM's and teams have done when picking Top 5 in the NFL Draft.

He took Derrick Thomas with #4 overall instead of Broderick Thomas, who was also seen as a pass rushing monster (he had a nice career but obviously not a Hall of Fame career).

1993 was a phenomenal year for Peterson. He chose Will Shields, a future Hall of Famer, in the 3rd round of the draft, then gave up very little in acquiring Joe Montana and Marcus Allen. Sure, they fell short in the AFC Championship Game that year but what team could overcome losing their HOF QB in the first half of that game?

Carl's first 16 years were very successful but unfortunately, most people remember his final years from 2006-2008. Had Vermeil not insisted on Trent Green, I fully believe that Carl would have drafted Drew Brees with the 12th overall pick in 2001 but he trusted Vermeil way too much, IMO.

Well since he only had 2 and the other was Glenn Dorsey, he was 50/50 at best and then you consider he didn't draft up there because he would not take chances and was happy with mediocrity combine that with all the other misses in his tenure, he sucked but he was still better than Pissoli, Rossi and Schaaf. Dorsey will always have a special place because of Mahomes.