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Old 11-22-2018, 07:56 PM   #2
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High completion percentage and low amount of ints? Are we talking about Alex Smith? I know 77% completion percentage is impressive, but look at the top 20 for completion percentage in a season. It's a bunch of no bodies with a few HoF thrown in there. Bradford, Ryan, Cousins, Ken Anderson and Derek Carr are all in the top 10 for highest completion percentages in a year. Hell look at the list of QBs with the fewest ints thrown, that list has Deberg number 2 and Prescott, Smith, Griffin, and Bradford in the top 10. Do those players impress you, because they sure don't impress me. If Mahomes hits 50 tds then he is the MVP hands down. High completion percentage and lack of interceptions shouldn't win someone an MVP. Mahomes is on pace for the 3rd most yards in a single season and is on pace for the 2nd most TD passes ever. His completion percentage is also 67.5 percent right now. He's the MVP. He's on pace to do things only 1 or 2 other QBs have ever done.
Put a healthy Alex Smith on either team and that is your difference. The Saints record would be close to the same. The Chiefs record with our defense would be around 4 or 5 wins. This is the MVP right? thought so, then obviously it's Mahomes.
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Old 11-22-2018, 08:03 PM   #3
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Put a healthy Alex Smith on either team and that is your difference. The Saints record would be close to the same. The Chiefs record with our defense would be around 4 or 5 wins. This is the MVP right? thought so, then obviously it's Mahomes.
Yeah Alex doesn't have near as many wins if he's on this team. He would have lost most of them. Don't get me wrong, his high completion rate is really good and the number of ints he has thrown is incredible, but he isn't doing anything close to what Mahomes is doing.
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Old 11-22-2018, 08:06 PM   #4
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Yeah Alex doesn't have near as many wins if he's on this team. He would have lost most of them. Don't get me wrong, his high completion rate is really good and the number of ints he has thrown is incredible, but he isn't doing anything close to what Mahomes is doing.
Then you have Brees who is completing a record amount of passes to his running backs. I'll give you some are downfield throws but referencing the 1st game at NE last year so have a few of Smiths throws.
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Old 11-22-2018, 07:54 PM   #5
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Nice to see Brees throw an INT tonight. Watching both without question Mahomes is more deserving of the MVP. Brees makes way too many safe horizontal passes and pads his stats and risks getting injured just to take the MVP award from a more deserving Mahomes as he knows this is pretty much his last chance at an MVP.

The only thing worrying me is most vertical offenses tend to slow down in the harsh winters and Brees gets to play in a warm dome all year.
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Old 11-22-2018, 08:31 PM   #6
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Anyone watching this game right now could easily be confused who the MVP on the Saints alone is, never mind the league. The offense goes through Kamara. Brees is literally managing the game. He's definitely the most efficient player in the league, but I don't think he's the best or anywhere near the most valuable.
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Old 11-22-2018, 08:51 PM   #7
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Brees looking like alex smith with those dump offs to kamara
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Old 11-22-2018, 09:20 PM   #8
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I feel like you guys are watching a different game. On what planet is Drew Brees anywhere near Alex Smith? When have the Saints ever been considered conservative? They are literally the first team you list when you talk about teams that take chances and play aggressively.
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Old 11-22-2018, 09:26 PM   #9
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I feel like you guys are watching a different game. On what planet is Drew Brees anywhere near Alex Smith? When have the Saints ever been considered conservative? They are literally the first team you list when you talk about teams that take chances and play aggressively.
He throws a ton of short passes to backs and TEs.

All the great ones do, though. Peyton and Brady always worked the short passing game as well.

I'm not sure who would consider any of these guys conservative though.
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Old 11-22-2018, 09:24 PM   #10
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Hard to say there's anyone that deserves it over Mahomes at this point, but if there were it wouldn't be Brees. I think Goff is more deserving than Brees right now.
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Old 11-22-2018, 09:28 PM   #11
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Hard to say there's anyone that deserves it over Mahomes at this point, but if there were it wouldn't be Brees. I think Goff is more deserving than Brees right now.
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Old 11-22-2018, 09:35 PM   #12
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Really?

Goff has 3,547 yards, 26 TD, 6 INT and a 67.7 Comp % and his team is 10-1.

Brees has the Comp % going for him and less turnovers but he's a ways behind Goff and Mahomes in yards and Goff is right there with him in TDs.
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Old 11-22-2018, 09:38 PM   #13
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Hard to say there's anyone that deserves it over Mahomes at this point, but if there were it wouldn't be Brees. I think Goff is more deserving than Brees right now.
No. Mahomes has far more touchdowns and yards than Goff. 39TD to 27TD. Turnovers are about equal.

Goff isn’t in the running until he ups his touchdown numbers

You just can’t ignore Mahomes’ 37 TD, 10 INT, 67.5% completion, 3,628 yards, and 2 rushing TD
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No. Mahomes has far more touchdowns and yards than Goff. 39TD to 27TD. Turnovers are about equal.

Goff isn’t in the running until he ups his touchdown numbers
It's me thinking Goff deserves to be more in the running than Brees. I don't think either are close enough to Mahomes, I stated that. You gotta read man. Read.
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Old 11-22-2018, 09:30 PM   #15
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Lol. When I think of the NFL's all-time career record holder for passing yards, I don't immediately compare that guy to Alex Smith.

Not quite sure what's going on in this thread.
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