McDowell: Why The Chiefs Pursuit to Renovate Arrowhead Has Hit A Snag

[ThyKingdomCome15]

It's all BS.

[BigRedChief]

We all bitch about tax payer money being used to build stadiums for teams they don’t own but are owned by multi-billionaires. Why don’t they foot the bill themselves?

Every city. Every state. Every country has to deal with this. So far at the end of the day the taxpayers bitch and moan but they rarely say no.

There is enough examples of voters saying no and the team actually leaving town(Raiders/A’s/Colts/St.Louis) to make the threat real.

[Discuss Thrower]

Jackson and Johnson are the two counties that could afford to pay for two stadiums with tax chicanery but I doubt their voter bases would go for it.

Especially Johnson.

So that leaves Clay and Wyandotte, right?

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Jackson and Johnson are the two counties that could afford to pay for two stadiums with tax chicanery but I doubt their voter bases would go for it.

Especially Johnson.

So that leaves Clay and Wyandotte, right?

I don't think Johnson County has ever been in the conversation.

[dlphg9]

Move them to Joplin or Sedalia!

[TinyEvel]

Yo I think the parking fees and beer profits from just one season should be able to pay for a new stadium.

[DanT]

If the Royals leave Jackson County, why should Jackson County extend the same 3/8th percent sales tax that was good enough for both the 80+ Royals games and the 15 or so Chiefs games every year?
It should be lower, I would think.
Also, if one county subsidizing a stadium is such a great deal for the people in that county, let's see what other county wants to do it.
Frank White ain't no dummy. He grew up near the old stadium and there were plenty of wise and respected folks there and elsewhere who questioned the fairness and the reasons for leaving Municipal and who was paying for it. White physically worked to build the Truman Sports Complex as a laborer before he made the majors, and he overcame lots of doubts about him as a player to become one of the Royals' all-time greats. He also has had a direct eye on the racism that has affected generations of Kansas Citizens on playing fields, in schools, at stores, in elections, and in many other venues. Those are the facts, which many will deny, but none of us who spent considerable parts of our lives in Kansas City's inner city listening to our elders and simply seeing what was going on would. I say that as a white man who is now relatively well-off, and living in sunny California. Racism doesn't explain everything. Some of it is simply classism, the rich being savvy about screwing the poor, which they are so good at that they get the poor to argue against their own interests.
Being mad at someone because they don't want to take a deal that is supposedly in their interest to take is stupid. If it actually is in their interest, prove it. If it isn't, then how about pulling your heads out of the mega-rich people's asses and realizing that you're being pimped?

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

The extension of the existing tax seems fair enough to exist in the pro sports space

Footing the bill to demolish Kauffman seems kind of shitty but probably negotiable

So unless there's something more, and I didn't read the entire article, just the OP, it seems the hang up isn't the burden on tax payers but Jackson County (or White) feeling like they're not getting a big enough piece of the revenue pie from the teams

Originally Posted by DanT

If the Royals leave Jackson County, why should Jackson County extend the same 3/8th percent sales tax that was good enough for both the 80+ Royals games and the 15 or so Chiefs games every year?
It should be lower, I would think.
Also, if one county subsidizing a stadium is such a great deal for the people in that county, let's see what other county wants to do it.
Frank White ain't no dummy. He grew up near the old stadium and there were plenty of wise and respected folks there and elsewhere who questioned the fairness and the reasons for leaving Municipal and who was paying for it. White physically worked to build the Truman Sports Complex as a laborer before he made the majors, and he overcame lots of doubts about him as a player to become one of the Royals' all-time greats. He also has had a direct eye on the racism that has affected generations of Kansas Citizens on playing fields, in schools, at stores, in elections, and in many other venues. Those are the facts, which many will deny, but none of us who spent considerable parts of our lives in Kansas City's inner city listening to our elders and simply seeing what was going on would. I say that as a white man who is now relatively well-off, and living in sunny California. Racism doesn't explain everything. Some of it is simply classism, the rich being savvy about screwing the poor, which they are so good at that they get the poor to argue against their own interests.
Being mad at someone because they don't want to take a deal that is supposedly in their interest to take is stupid. If it actually is in their interest, prove it. If it isn't, then how about pulling your heads out of the mega-rich people's asses and realizing that you're being pimped?

Really? Hell no.
The cost of everything has skyrocketed. The renewal of the existing is not fair. It is a huge win for the county and state as it lowers the actual $$$ to the teams because of inflation on many many levels.
The team that is a perennial bottom-feeding loser does not deserve the same as a team that is as successful as the Chiefs have been.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Really? Hell no.
The cost of everything has skyrocketed. The renewal of the existing is not fair. It is a huge win for the county and state as it lowers the actual $$$ to the teams because of inflation on many many levels.
The team that is a perennial bottom-feeding loser does not deserve the same as a team that is as successful as the Chiefs have been.

Per the OP the Chiefs are just asking for an extension of the existing tax so I assume they think its fair. Unless I'm misreading your post.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Per the OP the Chiefs are just asking for an extension of the existing tax so I assume they think its fair. Unless I'm misreading your post.

That is what the OP states. The county should jump on that as a bargain and that the Chiefs are wanting to stay at a lesser rate than what is actually achievable by such a successful franchise.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Per the OP the Chiefs are just asking for an extension of the existing tax so I assume they think its fair. Unless I'm misreading your post.

It is unfair for Jackson County tax payers to pay the whole freight of the stadiums. What do they get out of it but ticket access one day early once a year? but, life ain't fair.

Those other counties' ain't going to vote for a tax increase on themselves when they know Jackson county will cover the cost.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

It is unfair for Jackson County tax payers to pay the whole freight of the stadiums. What do they get out of it but ticket access one day early once a year? but, life ain't fair.

Those other counties' ain't going to vote for a tax increase on themselves when they know Jackson county will cover the cost.

It’s the same tax they’ve been paying. The rest is on the teams (sans the demolition of Kauffman apparently)

So on the surface it doesn’t seem like a tax payer issue or a team issue but a Jackson County government unhappy with their cut of the revenue issue

Unless there’s more to the story that I’m missing

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

It is unfair for Jackson County tax payers to pay the whole freight of the stadiums. What do they get out of it but ticket access one day early once a year? but, life ain't fair.

Those other counties' ain't going to vote for a tax increase on themselves when they know Jackson county will cover the cost.

Does that county also get the majority of the tax revenue created by having the team there?

[DanT]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Really? Hell no.
The cost of everything has skyrocketed. The renewal of the existing is not fair. It is a huge win for the county and state as it lowers the actual $$$ to the teams because of inflation on many many levels.
The team that is a perennial bottom-feeding loser does not deserve the same as a team that is as successful as the Chiefs have been.

The sales tax is a percentage. If the prices on taxable goods go up, the total sales tax revenue increases proportionately.
On the other hand, if one of two major tenants leaves and their vacated space no longer requires subsidizing, then demands on those revenues could and should be lowered, particularly if profitable uses can be made to the space, which is what the stakeholders want, both the County and the Chiefs. The trick is to spread the burdens and rewards equitably, which could be a challenge if basic math skills are lacking in local residents.