Ranking Chiefs GMs, coaches, best-worst players 89-19

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And let's not forget that Peterson didn't **** up, like so many other GM's and teams have done when picking Top 5 in the NFL Draft.

He took Derrick Thomas with #4 overall instead of Broderick Thomas, who was also seen as a pass rushing monster (he had a nice career but obviously not a Hall of Fame career).

1993 was a phenomenal year for Peterson. He chose Will Shields, a future Hall of Famer, in the 3rd round of the draft, then gave up very little in acquiring Joe Montana and Marcus Allen. Sure, they fell short in the AFC Championship Game that year but what team could overcome losing their HOF QB in the first half of that game?

Carl's first 16 years were very successful but unfortunately, most people remember his final years from 2006-2008. Had Vermeil not insisted on Trent Green, I fully believe that Carl would have drafted Drew Brees with the 12th overall pick in 2001 but he trusted Vermeil way too much, IMO.

Well since he only had 2 and the other was Glenn Dorsey, he was 50/50 at best and then you consider he didn't draft up there because he would not take chances and was happy with mediocrity combine that with all the other misses in his tenure, he sucked but he was still better than Pissoli, Rossi and Schaaf. Dorsey will always have a special place because of Mahomes.

[Deberg_1990]

Veach is #1. But Carl had the tougher job.

The Chiefs were a wasteland for nearly two decades before he came in.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Veach is #1. But Carl had the tougher job.

The Chiefs were a wasteland for nearly two decades before he came in.

Dorsey is #2. Carl would've cut his own dick off before trading up 15 spots to draft Mahomes.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Originally Posted by wazu

Dorsey is #2. Carl would've cut his own dick off before trading up 15 spots to draft Mahomes.

Not only that, but he wouldn't have drafted Mahomes at all, even if he was on the board at 27. Not that it would've mattered if he did, because Vermeil was the only coach during his time in KC that knew how to use a QB properly.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by wazu

Dorsey is #2. Carl would've cut his own dick off before trading up 15 spots to draft Mahomes.

How many future HOFer's did Dorsey draft in his 5 drafts in KC? Maybe one, in Travis Kelce, who was really an Andy pick because he was familiar with him and his family.

Dorsey sucked ass in KC and he's not even a pimple on Peterson's ass.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How many future HOFer's did Dorsey draft in his 5 drafts in KC? Maybe one, in Travis Kelce, who was really an Andy pick because he was familiar with him and his family.

Dorsey sucked ass in KC and he's not even a pimple on Peterson's ass.

The fact that people still refuse to give Dorsey any credit for pulling a rabbit out of the hat, misleading EVERYONE and executing a damn good trade to get immediately ahead of 2 teams that badly wanted Mahomes remains bizarre as hell.

He made the obvious right choice in 2013 w/ Fisher. Is it his fault that draft was tragically awful? No, no it is not.

Ford, LDT and Fulton were very good picks in '14. We'll always have a bad taste in our mouths over how Ford's tenure ended, but FFS, look at what most of the teams around us did. Relative to his peers, the Ford pick was excellent.

Peters, Morse, Conley and Nelson is a very good first 4 picks of '15 and I'd imagine few did better.

'16 yielded Chris Jones, Demarcus Robinson and Tyreek Hill. But hey, that's only 2 guys that are considered top 5 in the sport at their positions - who cares?

'17 he executed the trade for Mahomes.

Seriously - what in the actual **** are you talking about? I won't try to debate Dorsey vs. Carl because I think they both did outstanding jobs and won't loudly argue w/ ranking either ahead of the other. But saying "Dorsey sucked ass in KC" is just facially ridiculous. He was, at worst, good over his period in Kansas City. In his 5 years he drafted, what, 9 Pro Bowlers? And acknowledge it or not (you won't) he was instrumental in the acquisition of Kelce, Hill, Jones and yes, Mahomes - all of whom could easily end up with legitimate HoF cases by the time their careers are over.

Carl Peterson was the GM for 20 drafts - Dorsey for 5. And you're honestly going to try to use a count of HoFers as your barometer? Especially when there's a solid possibility that Dorsey comes out ahead in 5 years of where Peterson was over 20.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The fact that people still refuse to give Dorsey any credit for pulling a rabbit out of the hat, misleading EVERYONE and executing a damn good trade to get immediately ahead of 2 teams that badly wanted Mahomes remains bizarre as hell.

He made the obvious right choice in 2013 w/ Fisher. Is it his fault that draft was tragically awful? No, no it is not.

Ford, LDT and Fulton were very good picks in '14. We'll always have a bad taste in our mouths over how Ford's tenure ended, but FFS, look at what most of the teams around us did. Relative to his peers, the Ford pick was excellent.

Peters, Morse, Conley and Nelson is a very good first 4 picks of '15 and I'd imagine few did better.

'16 yielded Chris Jones, Demarcus Robinson and Tyreek Hill. But hey, that's only 2 guys that are considered top 5 in the sport at their positions - who cares?

'17 he executed the trade for Mahomes.

Seriously - what in the actual **** are you talking about? I won't try to debate Dorsey vs. Carl because I think they both did outstanding jobs and won't loudly argue w/ ranking either ahead of the other. But saying "Dorsey sucked ass in KC" is just facially ridiculous. He was, at worst, good over his period in Kansas City. In his 5 years he drafted, what, 9 Pro Bowlers? And acknowledge it or not (you won't) he was instrumental in the acquisition of Kelce, Hill, Jones and yes, Mahomes - all of whom could easily end up with legitimate HoF cases by the time their careers are over.

I don't think that Dorsey made the most important picks that moved this franchise forward.

Fisher? You have to be kidding me. That's a Reid selection all day long, same with Kelce. It's been documented time and time again that Chris Ballard did all of the legwork on Marcus Peters.

Fulton and LDT are definitely Reid selections. His mother attended the same college as LDT in Canada! So basically ANY offensive lineman is an Andy selection, period, and there's no way you're going to convince me otherwise.

The Buffalo trade was NOT executed by Dorsey. For ****'s Sake Dude, McDermott and the rest of the Bills coaching staff and front office are basically Reid's children! He brought them up, trained them and in McDermott's case, fired them, too. There's no way that trade goes down like it does without Andy Reid's relationship with those guys.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Carl Peterson was the GM for 20 drafts - Dorsey for 5. And you're honestly going to try to use a count of HoFers as your barometer? Especially when there's a solid possibility that Dorsey comes out ahead in 5 years of where Peterson was over 20.

The comparison was an apt comparison. Peterson's first five years drafting versus Dorsey's first five years of drafting.

In hindsight, Dorsey should never have been the hire. He and Reid obviously clashed on personnel, something that hasn't happened since Brett Veach has become the GM.

And Dorsey didn't help his reputation in Cleveland, either. Maybe he hit on Nick Chubb and the jury's still out on Mayfield (although those deliberations are certainly siding against him at this point) but I just don't believe he brought anything "special" to the table.

Without Reid, Dorsey would have never become an NFL GM.

[Chief Roundup]

Where is Hank Stram?
Where is Jack Steadman?
Peterson kept us in mediocrity by not EVER drafting a QB high enough to make a difference.

[alanm]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Where is Hank Stram?
Where is Jack Steadman?
Peterson kept us in mediocrity by not EVER drafting a QB high enough to make a difference.

They were talking the last 30 yrs. Not all of Chiefs history.

[DaneMcCloud]

Also, if Dorsey was SO great (he wasn't) and if he had SO much to do with the drafting of Mahomes (he absolutely did not), why doesn't Andy Reid ever give him any credit whatsoever when it comes to Mahomes?

He constantly credits Brett Veach as well as Alex Smith. Hell, he credited Smith in his recent interview with Rich Eisen this week!

And if Dorsey was so vital and great, why did Clark Hunt unceremoniously fire him, especially if he was so integral to the Mahomes trade with Buffalo?

I know why: Because he wasn't integral to the trade, he made several **** ups and Clark Hunt felt the team would be better off with Veach and Reid running the show.

And Clark Hunt was right.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Also, if Dorsey was SO great (he wasn't) and if he had SO much to do with the drafting of Mahomes (he absolutely did not), why doesn't Andy Reid ever give him any credit whatsoever when it comes to Mahomes?

He constantly credits Brett Veach as well as Alex Smith. Hell, he credited Smith in his recent interview with Rich Eisen this week!

And if Dorsey was so vital and great, why did Clark Hunt unceremoniously fire him, especially if he was so integral to the Mahomes trade with Buffalo?

I know why: Because he wasn't integral to the trade, he made several **** ups and Clark Hunt felt the team would be better off with Veach and Reid running the show.

And Clark Hunt was right.

If i remember right, when Reid and Dorsey were hired, Clark set it up where they both reported directly to him and neither one was more powerful than the other.

Clark didnt want another all powerful football Czar position like Pioli had.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

If i remember right, when Reid and Dorsey were hired, Clark set it up where they both reported directly to him and neither one was more powerful than the other.

Clark didnt want another all powerful football Czar position like Pioli had.

I can't believe that anyone thinks that Andy Reid didn't have a massive amount of input, let alone, final say over the draft and roster.

[RealSNR]

The Mahomes selection was such a big deal even before he became a superstar. It was a team that brought him to us.

Veach did the advanced scouting.
Reid did the offseason interviews and approved it as team QB guru.
Dorsey executed the trade.

I think some posters have a stupid obsession with Dorsey, but that doesn’t mean he deserves no credit for pulling off that brilliant trade. He found the right spot, the right team, negotiated a cheap price, and kept it all quiet. The slightest suspicion of our interest from any of 4 or 5 teams could have derailed it.

Dorsey absolutely deserves credit for that trade