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Old Today, 09:22 AM  
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Why is offense/scoring down in the league the past few years?
So I'm trying to figure out what's happening here, anyone have any ideas?

Is it just that defenses have caught up to the offenses or?
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Old Today, 09:26 AM   #2
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Defenses evolved and adapted.

Several great QBs retired.

I prefer lower scoring games.
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To me it just seems like offenses are behind schematically, they haven't been able to run the ball well enough to give most QBs a good chance against these fast secondaries that have LBs who can often cover just as good as the safeties.
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started with mahomes, then allen, burrow..........play 2 deep safeties, make scoring death by 100 cuts, rather than give up the deep ball.
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Offenses haven't adapted to the two deep shell and coverage backer scheme. In addition college linemen are not the road grader run first smashmouth type any more being much more athletic and able to operate in space.

The counter to a lighter front 7 and lots of DBs is a power run game to punish the lighter defense but O coordinators have not adopted that yet. Then PA pass off of that.
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Average QB play is down. College QBs aren’t coming into the league developed well enough. Ditto rookie OLs. For the same reasons.


Kurt Warner has a video on the subject in his QB Confidential series on YT. Most Rookies are coming out early, so fewer reps/ less overall experience, and most have only seen one concept, and when it’s a simplistic system like RPO or whatever, these kids have little to no foundational knowledge going into the pros.
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Average QB play is down. College QBs aren’t coming into the league developed well enough. Ditto rookie OLs. For the same reasons.


Kurt Warner has a video on the subject in his QB Confidential series on YT. Most Rookies are coming out early, so fewer reps/ less overall experience, and most have only seen one concept, and when it’s a simplistic system like RPO or whatever, these kids have little to no foundational knowledge going into the pros.
NIL and unlimited transfers probably aren't helping. If you can't rely on your players sticking around you have to simplify your scheme.
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NIL and unlimited transfers probably aren't helping. If you can't rely on your players sticking around you have to simplify your scheme.


Ah, yeah, good catch. Warner listed that as a reason as well.
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I think it's mainly defensive coordinators not being so stubborn and more coverage LBs and safeties. Against elite QBs you WANT the other team to run. You don't focus on simply stopping the run anymore. It's more of an afterthought.
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Average QB play is down. College QBs aren’t coming into the league developed well enough. Ditto rookie OLs. For the same reasons.


Kurt Warner has a video on the subject in his QB Confidential series on YT. Most Rookies are coming out early, so fewer reps/ less overall experience, and most have only seen one concept, and when it’s a simplistic system like RPO or whatever, these kids have little to no foundational knowledge going into the pros.
QB play in the NFL and college has been atrocious from what I've seen this year.
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I think it's mainly defensive coordinators not being so stubborn and more coverage LBs and safeties. Against elite QBs you WANT the other team to run. You don't focus on simply stopping the run anymore. It's more of an afterthought.
Yeah, you just build your D to rush the passer and cover well. If the other team wants to run it down your throat more power to them because if you can score you'll most likely still win.
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I think it's mainly defensive coordinators not being so stubborn and more coverage LBs and safeties. Against elite QBs you WANT the other team to run. You don't focus on simply stopping the run anymore. It's more of an afterthought.
Yeah it mostly started with Mahomes, but now everyone is getting the same treatment. They don't mind death by 1000 cuts or getting gashed for 4-5 ypc as long as they can limit the damage the QB can do.

Like others have said, OLineman aren't roadgraders anymore, they're primarily pass blockers. So when you want to run the ball to punish a light box, you can't do it nearly as effectively unless you design your whole offense around it.

Other ideas that come to mind
-Maybe a lack of RB talent in the NFL currently?
-QB's aren't experienced enough to check into a run play when they see cover 2?
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I can't embed it because it's a video with NFL content, but this pretty much nails it.

https://youtu.be/3sbnHgwCErs?si=FKikftCDZxTzsbQC
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