***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by loochy

It's Donger you're dealing with here. You should know that you are wrong unless the diction matches 100%.

It is wrong. Fauci's a doctor. He knows masks aren't useless. He knows they aren't perfect.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, he doesn't..............
Fauci: …There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.
.

OK got it

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

OK got it

Apparently, you don't:

Fauci: The masks are important for someone who’s infected to prevent them from infecting someone else… Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks.


In other words, Fauci knew then that masks are much more effective at helping prevent the wearer from spreading the virus as opposed to the mask protecting the wearer.

Not useless, or anywhere close to it.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by Donger

Apparently, you don't:

Fauci: The masks are important for someone who’s infected to prevent them from infecting someone else… Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks.


In other words, Fauci knew then that masks are much more effective at helping prevent the wearer from spreading the virus as opposed to the mask protecting the wearer.

Not useless, or anywhere close to it.

No I do get it.
you read stuff with one "bend" and I bend the other way.

............"There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask".........

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Donger

Apparently, you don't:

Fauci: The masks are important for someone who’s infected to prevent them from infecting someone else… Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks.


In other words, Fauci knew then that masks are much more effective at helping prevent the wearer from spreading the virus as opposed to the mask protecting the wearer.

Not useless, or anywhere close to it.

Honestly there's been a lot of emerging research about the mask protecting the wearer as well. I think that's pretty notable.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

No I do get it.
you read stuff with one "bend" and I bend the other way.

............"There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask".........

One doesn't need to "bend" at all. Did you notice the "right now" part? The right now was on March 8.

[cookster50]

Why does anyone engage Donger? Oh crap, that sounds like a question the dong man would ask...

[Donger]

Originally Posted by TLO

Honestly there's been a lot of emerging research about the mask protecting the wearer as well. I think that's pretty notable.

Yes, and he even said that in early March:

When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by cookster50

Why does anyone engage Donger? Oh crap, that sounds like a question the dong man would ask...

Some people like to have their ignorance and/or lies exposed, it seems.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

At the time most places locked down Faucci said mask were useless.

Did you know that in the 1800's doctors thought smoking was good for you?

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by Donger

One doesn't need to "bend" at all. Did you notice the "right now" part? The right now was on March 8.

"right now"was not part of your "link please"

He did say it.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Did you know that in the 1800's doctors thought smoking was good for you?

and "let your blood" if you were ill

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

It is wrong. Fauci's a doctor. He knows masks aren't useless. He knows they aren't perfect.

Fauci is a doctor? Just like all the doctors saying HQC works?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

"right now"was not part of your "link please"

He did say it.

That's correct.

My request for a link was in reference to BCD's assertion that Fauci said that masks were useless. He has never said that. So that assertion is false, either intentionally or not (ignorance versus a lie).

The "right now" part was in reference to Fauci saying that people shouldn't wear masks on March 8, when he said it. We had a few cases then, and I believe no confirmed community spread or knowledge of asymptomatic spread. So, what he said made sense when he said it and the situation "right now."

He was also concerned about regular folks hoarding masks when he knew that we had a paucity of PPE for our medical professionals.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Fauci is a doctor? Just like all the doctors saying HQC works?

Yes, he's one of our leading infectious disease experts.