***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It's kind of funny scrolling through multiple pages of this thread day after day. It's pretty obvious after a couple of weeks of this who the people are that focus on the worst-case scenario (after I while, I just scroll on by because it's always some random niche story that isn't necessarily applicable to the world) and the people who focus on the best-case scenario (who largely don't understand what they're talking about).

Well it's good to hear both sides at least?

Right now I think we have to hope what China did works. If they come back from this then we know what we have to do to beat this. Obviously they are Communists and we are not so Americans are not going to allow USA government to use the draconian polices of Chinese government but if we can adapt some of their policies at think after this virus peaks we can turn things. around. But if China experiences another outbreak then we are pretty much ****ed until a vaccine comes out.

[SuperBowl4]

Coming Soon! ID2020 - Digital ID with Vaccines

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Monty

My DIL is an ER Nurse and is freaking out over the lack of PPE. 3 kids at home ages 5 and under with a 5 month old baby. She's just resigned herself to the fact that it's not if but when she gets infected.

During flu season, I'd take off my clothes in the garage, use shoes only for work. Put the clothes in a specific place and wash them myself. Wash my hands in the basement before going upstairs to the family. I'm sure thats not unique. We are around infected people all day. You have to be careful not to bring it home to your family. I'm sure the DIL is doing something similar.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by SuperBowl4

Coming Soon! ID2020 - Digital ID with Vaccines

saw that the other day

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I just posted the numbers one page back.


Doctors cant run them, they are too busy. There is a reason Respiratory Therapists run them and not nurses. You need a lot of specific training to not damage peoples lungs while on the vent.

Anesthesia people run them as well.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

So how exactly does a factory that makes cars transition to making ventilators?

Just throwing out a guess here, but in the Ford plant in Claycomo the truck beds and cabs are transported through trim on skids. Probably have to make some skids that are reusable and keep cycling them through if what they are going for is an assembly line to help speed up production. I think the UK is actually pretty far along in this process so hopefully they can at least figure out the basics of this

[oaklandhater]

new york is shutting down

#BREAKING: I will sign an Executive Order mandating that 100% of workforce must stay home, excluding essential services.

This order excludes pharmacies, grocery stores, and others.

— Andrew Cuomo (@NYGovCuomo) March 20, 2020

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I just posted the numbers one page back.


Doctors cant run them, they are too busy. There is a reason Respiratory Therapists run them and not nurses. You need a lot of specific training to not damage peoples lungs while on the vent.

I figured , but wasn’t sure about icu nurses having some experience around them maybe being able to help.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Anesthesia people run them as well.

But they are going to busy with surgeries in the OR. RT's usually run the vents in the OR, they are monitoring the patient. I'm assuming that the RT's are pulled out to run vents elsewhere and the Anesthesia doctors will have to run their own ventilators in the ER.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Tough times don't last; tough people do

I still have some Bounce in an emergency.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

new york is shutting down

#BREAKING: I will sign an Executive Order mandating that 100% of workforce must stay home, excluding essential services.

This order excludes pharmacies, grocery stores, and others.

— Andrew Cuomo (@NYGovCuomo) March 20, 2020

The grocery stores are open, but you can't leave your residence to go shopping.

Seems logical.

[oaklandhater]

BREAKING:
Major London hospital declares 'critical incident' after running out of ICU beds due to surge in Covid-19 cases

One senior director in the capital just told me - 'this is f**king petrifying'

Free to viewhttps://t.co/JtSzbumgxF

— Lawrence Dunhill (@LawrenceDunhill) March 20, 2020

a major london hospital has ran out of ICU beds.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by ptlyon

The grocery stores are open, but you can't leave your residence to go shopping.

Seems logical.

it's the same thing here yet I saw people outside or doing bullshit when I was dropping my room mates gf off yesterday.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

But they are going to busy with surgeries in the OR.

what surgeries are going to be occuring during all this?

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

what surgeries are going to be occuring during all this?

I would think only those that are absolutely necessary.