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Old 07-21-2020, 12:20 PM  
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Chris Simms: Tyreek Hill #1 WR in the NFL
at all the Packers fans crying because Davante Adams didn't make his top 10. Video marked at Tyreek Hill discussion.

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Old 07-21-2020, 01:11 PM   #31
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Maybe Simms is taking into account that Adams only has one 1000 yd year and gets hurt a lot...
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Old 07-21-2020, 01:15 PM   #32
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Every bit as good as Adams in contested catches, arguably better.

Often requires multiple defenders to get him to the ground as he simply has more power in his game than Adams. There's multiple plays where he's literally running DB's over.

Makes acrobatic catches with the best of them.

Every bit as fast as Adams, maybe faster.
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Old 07-21-2020, 01:15 PM   #33
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Who would you rather have, Adams or Hill?
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Old 07-21-2020, 01:15 PM   #34
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Another dude that deserves some consideration is Devante Parker, he was very good with a whole lot of nothing around him.
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Old 07-21-2020, 01:18 PM   #35
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I'm watching this and asking myself, is there anything in here that any other WR in Simms' top 10 list that COULDN'T do?

My answer is no.

Matter of fact, i'm watching this and thinking, man if that were "so and so", that pass may have actually gone to the house. A perfect example is @ 2:31. Adams catches a wide open slant that OBJ likely woulda housed, but Adams gets caught from behind. He gets caught from behind fairly frequently actually.

And that's the difference between top 10 and 11-15.
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Old 07-21-2020, 01:23 PM   #36
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I'm watching Adams and trying to figure out what is that he does that the rest of these WR's can't do.

I can't name it. There's no part of his game that jumps out to me.

It reminds me of the Edwards-Helaire vs Swift conversations.

Helaire demonstrated some elite traits that popped off the screen. Swift, a good player, but no elite traits. That's how i see Adams as well.

He runs good routes and has great hands. I guess he’s got pretty good size.

Eh. He gets a lot of love and I’ve never really paid attention to his numbers. I was shocked to see he’s only broken 1,000 yards in one season.
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Old 07-21-2020, 01:25 PM   #37
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He runs good routes and has great hands. I guess he’s got pretty good size.

Eh. He gets a lot of love and I’ve never really paid attention to his numbers. I was shocked to see he’s only broken 1,000 yards in one season.
The Packers needed to make a play for Henry Ruggs, Adams and Rodgers both desperately need some speed on the other side.
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He runs good routes and has great hands. I guess he’s got pretty good size.

Eh. He gets a lot of love and I’ve never really paid attention to his numbers. I was shocked to see he’s only broken 1,000 yards in one season.
He’s had 997 yards twice, one of which was last season when he only played 12 games, so that’s a little misleading.
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Old 07-21-2020, 01:33 PM   #39
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I never argued against Sutton, that was RunKC. I don’t think he’s better than Adams yet, but he’s younger and more talented. Either way I don’t really have a problem with that, I just think saying he’s “far better” after the catch is baseless. I wouldn’t even have a problem if you said he was better.

I also don’t have a problem with OBJ.

There’s no way you can tell me Green or Cooper should be ahead of him though, which is why I still think he’s top 10.

I also think you’re really underestimating what he does well considering you haven’t once acknowledged how great his hands and route running are combined with downplaying how good he is after the catch.
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I think Adams is debatable there because you get to where guys have flaws. Amari Cooper has his flaws and well AJ Green doesn't really play much now.
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There’s no way you can tell me Green or Cooper should be ahead of him though, which is why I still think he’s top 10.

I also think you’re really underestimating what he does well considering you haven’t once acknowledged how great his hands and route running are combined with downplaying how good he is after the catch.
I won't argue about Green and Cooper. I will say though, that a healthy Green is better than Adams. No doubt. What's doubtful is whether he's healthy.

And Cooper...i've never liked Cooper. Not even coming out of college.

And yeah, i don't think his RAC is special.
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He’s had 997 yards twice, one of which was last season when he only played 12 games, so that’s a little misleading.
I think I'm just less enamored with the slower guys. Dude's who average like 12 YPC or less don't do it for me. Michael Thomas, Deandre Hopkins, Julian Edelman, Devante Adams, Keenan Allen. Obviously they're good and valuable receivers but I'd be more inclined to want a guy who's a bit more explosive on my team.
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Amari Cooper is just one of those potential guys. He's been riding on it for a while now.

He's got great size, great speed, runs great routes. If he just put it all together he could easily be a top 3-5 guy. Instead he has some inopportune drops and disappears for stretches during the season.
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I live in Green Bay so I've seen Adams play quite a few times.

He's good, but not anything super special. He's in the 12-15 range. If you want to argue top 10 that's fine, but it's not some travesty to leave him out. I also saw Javon Walker in his prime back in the day and he stood out way more than Adams.

I'm just glad to see Hill getting the recognition he deserves. I can honestly say there isn't a single WR in football I'd take over him. Not just for his sick talent, but he is as tough of a player as I have ever seen at any position. I'll never forget that game in 2018 against the Ravens where he made that 4th and 9 catch when his ankle was literally dangling from his calf. It was ridiculous. Then obviously last year, to come back from that freak injury as quickly as he did. Not to mention all the times he's been laid out and just hopped right back up.

Love that guy.
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