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Old 11-19-2002, 11:17 AM   #2
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I guarantee that I want Green to be successful every single week. I can guarantee you that I've never been happy to see him have a bad game. I guarantee that I'm not one of the "green bashers".

so, once again......Do you "believers think the Green deserves a long term, top 5-10, Franchise QB type contract at the end of the season?

While we're at it and defending arguments....you called for my list of 12 better QBs.....Add Peyton Manning to my list and please tell me which of the ones I listed(at your request) you would NOT take over Green.( I wouldn't take Gannon in particular due to age)
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Old 11-19-2002, 11:18 AM   #3
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Spoon..lol

I think what stands out are the intangibles that help a team reach great heights. Rushing for first downs. 200 yards rushing...a lot of those yards kept drives alive. Won the game against Buffalo getting that first... Heads up thinking...Cleveland. Playing hurt..not only last year, but in this last game. This alone really earns the respect of your teammates. Success in the two minute drill..not every time, but enough to have hope for a win.

everyone keeps screaming about a top notch QB, but very few of those exist. Players like Vick, McNabb, Culpepper are the new mold, because that is what the current game requires...Players are so big and so fast...And besides, all Green does is what Al tells him to do. This game would be totally different if QB's HAD to call their own plays.

Tac-o, my point is other Qb's don't get nitpicked on every missed pass.
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Old 11-19-2002, 11:22 AM   #4
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I think stevieray meant that those other QB's get a pass from people here who would be labeled Greenbashers.

Why shouldn't Chiefs fans give "those other QBs" a pass? WTF do Chiefs fans care if Fiedler throws an errant pass here and there?
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Old 11-19-2002, 11:24 AM   #5
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I DO like alot of things about Green.....I like that he appears to be a "team player", I like that he is a good "community guy"(so is Dilfer)...I like that he accepts responsibility when he screws up, I like his heart....diving head first for the endzone to win the game.....

Green recieved several cheers from me, and comments on the shots he took and got back up....

Don't lump me in the "green sucks" crowd.....But feel free to put me in the "Green isn't Quarterback Jesus" club.

I see several positions that I'd like to see improved with outside players Before Green if that makes you feel any better.
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Old 11-19-2002, 11:26 AM   #6
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Tac-o, my point is other Qb's don't get nitpicked on every missed pass.


The hell they don't. I'm willing to bet that this is about the only message board you visit with any regularity if you think that is the case. Brian Griese has won 7 games for us, and he gets criticized each and every game for the stuff he didn't do right... There are Dolphins fans, who despite going on a skid with Lucas, still criticize Fiedler for some of the stuff they think he does wrong. On the San Francisco board, there are fans who call Jeff Garcia a loser who will never be able to take them to the big game.

The stuff I read about Green is pretty mild compared to what a lot of the other teams do. He certainly doesn't have it any worse in KC than if he were in Denver or Miami.
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Old 11-19-2002, 11:26 AM   #7
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so, once again......Do you "believers think the Green deserves a long term, top 5-10, Franchise QB type contract at the end of the season?
Trent is the #10 QB in the league right now. If he finishes in the top ten then why wouldn't he deserve to be paid like a top ten QB? But then I don't think Trent will be hard to deal with in regards to doing a cap friendly contract. And what does next years contract have to do with Trents play right now? Why does money have to even be brought into the argument at this point? It really has nothing to do with what Trent is doing for and with the team right now. Trent is leading as good as any QB in the league right now IMO. And that's what really matters IMO.

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Old 11-19-2002, 11:28 AM   #8
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Then fans have unrealistic expectations. Nitpicking every pass is BS.

Of course this the only football board I frequent....Why would I go anywhere else? And besides how is that relevant? You have 8000 posts here, your own board, and visit all those others sites?

You need to get out more, bud.
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Old 11-19-2002, 11:30 AM   #9
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Then fans have unrealistic expectations
You been reading this board long enough to know that fans are unrealistic. Hell fans are unrealistically unrealistic.

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Old 11-19-2002, 11:31 AM   #10
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Why would Chiefs' fans care what those other QB's do?

As for whether or not other cities scrutinize their QB the way we do? You bet your ASS they do.
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Old 11-19-2002, 11:32 AM   #11
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Then fans have unrealistic expectations. Nitpicking every pass is BS.

I would agree... My point is, it isn't an exclusive thing to Kansas City. So when you say:

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Only Green is not allowed to have an errant throw. Every other QB is allowed...
...that's off base.
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Old 11-19-2002, 11:33 AM   #12
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As for whether or not other cities scrutinize their QB the way we do? You bet your ASS they do.

Amen to that. If you don't believe it, pop into the Orangemane, or Finheaven and read the exact same arguments you read here, only about Griese and Fiedler.
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Old 11-19-2002, 11:34 AM   #13
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I'm gonna take that one step further Taco...

Griese takes some shit, and I would guess that Chiefs' fans are marginally harder on Green...

But NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE in the NFL takes more shit from fans than Fiedler. Green has it good compared to him.
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Old 11-19-2002, 11:37 AM   #14
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point taken.
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Old 11-19-2002, 11:39 AM   #15
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I would agree with that... Griese has a pretty decent base of support, though he's got PLENTY of detractors. The difference is, however, Griese has been winning games. If the Broncos were 5-4 or worse right now, it would be just as bad or worse than what Green is taking now... even though there are plenty of Broncos fans who are rejoicing his injury...

Fiedler takes a lot of crap too... But his supporters have been laying the wood to his bashers, especially after Lucas got in and went on such a horrible skid.
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