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Old 08-24-2019, 09:30 AM   #2
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Man I just don’t know about that

I think Hill is a bit of an outlier. You take him away from the offense and they become easier to defense. Belicheck said the same thing
Hardman changes that conversation
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:43 AM   #3
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Hardman changes that conversation
Hardman hasn’t caught a pass from Mahomes in a game yet

Let’s pump the brakes a bit
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:48 AM   #4
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Hardman hasn’t caught a pass from Mahomes in a game yet

Let’s pump the brakes a bit
devils advocate

Mahomes wouldn’t stop being Mahomes if we lose Hill. He would still have multiple top shelf receiving targets. Hardman isn’t proven, but his talents are undeniable.

The defense NEEDS a top shelf corner to have the ability to play aggressive.
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:56 AM   #5
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devils advocate

Mahomes wouldn’t stop being Mahomes if we lose Hill. He would still have multiple top shelf receiving targets. Hardman isn’t proven, but his talents are undeniable.

The defense NEEDS a top shelf corner to have the ability to play aggressive.
I don’t think you need a top shelf corner anymore

They need solid play everywhere
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Old 08-24-2019, 01:14 PM   #6
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Hardman changes that conversation
No he doesn't
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:39 AM   #7
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Man I just don’t know about that

I think Hill is a bit of an outlier. You take him away from the offense and they become easier to defense. Belicheck said the same thing
I remember hearing that the top offenses of all-time never won a Super Bowl.

2013 Broncos
2018 Chiefs
2007 Patriots
2011 Packers
1998 Vikings
2011 Saints
2016 Falcons
1990 Bills

To my knowledge, the 1999 Greatest Show on Turf Rams are the only one who won a Lombardi
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:41 AM   #8
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I remember hearing that the top offenses of all-time never won a Super Bowl.

2013 Broncos
2018 Chiefs
2007 Patriots
2011 Packers
1998 Vikings
2011 Saints
2016 Falcons
1990 Bills

To my knowledge, the 1999 Greatest Show on Turf Rams are the only one who won a Lombardi
But how many of those teams made it to the champ game or the super bowl?

It’s hard to win man. But the chiefs historic offense got them about as close as possible to a super bowl. Once you get that far you’re gonna have to play other elite teams
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:45 AM   #9
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But how many of those teams made it to the champ game or the super bowl?

It’s hard to win man. But the chiefs historic offense got them about as close as possible to a super bowl. Once you get that far you’re gonna have to play other elite teams
Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:48 AM   #10
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Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot
Terrell Owens.
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Old 08-24-2019, 10:13 AM   #11
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Terrell Owens.
Reid's postseason Philly and pre-Mahomes KC records before and after Jim Johnson are pretty clear..
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Old 08-24-2019, 10:36 AM   #12
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Reid's postseason Philly and pre-Mahomes KC records before and after Jim Johnson are pretty clear..
Well yeah everything is pretty clear if you're willing to pick and choose what you do and don't include
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:54 AM   #13
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Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot
What about the other times he had Jim Johnson? Why didn’t he go then?
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Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot
Not really...
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Old 08-24-2019, 01:47 PM   #15
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Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot
It's not like he had a ton of offensive help.

For a while he had Pinkston, Thrash and Freddie Mitchell as his receivers. The one complete year he had a dynamic receiving weapon in TO they went to the SB

Had he had Patrick Mahomes in 2004, he would most likely have a ring right now.
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