***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Oh the humanity.

Don't like the numbers? Or don't like the idea of doing what we can to make this bug die out? Both, perhaps?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Heard on Sirius radio that a lot of NFL guys are starting to struggle with their routine. Besides toilet paper, gym equipment has been the other major buy online and at stores (before they shut down).

With gyms forced to close, these guys are having to do home workouts on their own which could cause problems if/when the season starts.

You guys should probably start thinking about the fact that we aren't likely having an NFL this year.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Donger

He didn't say days. He said weeks. Not a good start to your post.

I take it you still don't think that the mitigation efforts we've take should have been implemented?

I've said the whole time I understand what we are doing and why. We need to get the supplies needed to our medical community who have been awesome.

Once they have what they need we need to open the economy up, immediately.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by O.city

You guys should probably start thinking about the fact that we aren't likely having an NFL this year.

Bullshit. They'll just play w/o fans.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Oh the humanity.

Idiots like you will not take this seriously. Then they won't be able to breathe. And then all of their bluster and chest puffing will mean nothing as they beg - BEG - for the health care system to save them from this thing that is "no big deal."

And they'll lie there, gasping for air as no one has time to save them. As they wonder how - in the richest country on the planet - someone with health insurance can die in a hospital hallway surrounded by other scared people who a week before had no clue they'd be fighting for their last breaths, some other idiot will post it's no worse than the flu. That car accidents kill more people.

And then, all alone, surrounded by misery, they'll die. For nothing.

Oh, the humanity indeed.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

[Looks at your "Location"]

I have not updated that in a LONG time. I live in a small town of 12,000 people and have for the last 6 years.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Bullshit. They'll just play w/o fans.

Yeah, I'm gonna say that won't end up happening. Like the NBA, once one of them tests positive, it'll be over.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

This is where honesty from the jump from everyone would have made things better.

"We're trying to control this so everyone isn't sick at one time. Either everyone gets it, is immune or we get a vaccine. Thats the two ways out of this. Maybe we can develop some therapeutics to ease this down. Thats what we're trying to buy time for. We realize we can't do this forever".

But that's essentially what "flatten the curve" was saying to do.

The problem is that social media got ahold of it, people got scared and everything went completely batshit.

Again - the curve REQUIRES spread. That's always been the case. Anyone that actually bothered to learn anything about their silly little meme they were posting would've understood that. It was fundamental to the entire concept. Again I look at Boone county and see that they're nowhere near capacity with no meaningful spread and think that ultimately we're not accomplishing anything. We're just delaying the inevitable until we get to a point where everyone's just done with the whole damn thing. How are we moving towards a finish line right now?

And like I said 2 weeks ago, it sure as hell looked like mission creep was going to take over and suddenly everyone would be calling for measures to simply stop the spread outright. Measures that would be quixotic and ultimately counterproductive.

And hey, here we are.

We have Virginia's governor shutting shit down through July now. Why? Because nobody's going to say "hey wait a minute - we're hearing this has a week long incubation period and maybe a 3 week lifecycle...care to explain why 70 !@#$ing days is going to be the fix here?"

Nobody's looking for a solution, they're just looking to grip harder. And sooner or later they're going to lose buy-in. Everyone's going to throw up their hands and you'll get that same damn spike.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

I've said the whole time I understand what we are doing and why. We need to get the supplies needed to our medical community who have been awesome.

Once they have what they need we need to open the economy up, immediately.

I'm pretty sure you didn't. Perhaps I'll check.

Your second paragraph is just amazingly stupid and ignorant.

[saphojunkie]

Also notice how those lists of things that kill more americans suspiciously don't mention gun deaths.

That shit has a political agenda and is ****ing nonsense.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But that's essentially what "flatten the curve" was saying to do.

The problem is that social media got ahold of it, people got scared and everything went completely batshit.

Again - the curve REQUIRES spread. That's always been the case. Anyone that actually bothered to learn anything about their silly little meme they were posting would've understood that. It was fundamental to the entire concept. Again I look at Boone county and see that they're nowhere near capacity with no meaningful spread and think that ultimately we're not accomplishing anything. We're just delaying the inevitable until we get to a point where everyone's just done with the whole damn thing. How are we moving towards a finish line right now?

And like I said 2 weeks ago, it sure as hell looked like mission creep was going to take over and suddenly everyone would be calling for measures to simply stop the spread outright. Measures that would be quixotic and ultimately counterproductive.

And hey, here we are.

We have Virginia's governor shutting shit down through July now. Why? Because nobody's going to say "hey wait a minute - we're hearing this has a week long incubation period and maybe a 3 week lifecycle...care to explain why 70 !@#$ing days is going to be the fix here?"

Nobody's looking for a solution, they're just looking to grip harder. And sooner or later they're going to lose buy-in. Everyone's going to throw up their hands and you'll get that same damn spike.

You're essentially trying to buy time. Buy time to stock up materials for hospitals and capacity (should have done that in January or Feb, but thats in the past and here we are). Buy time for a therapeutic (prophylactic antibodies will be here late spring early summer).

You can't buy time for a vaccine. They're saying 18 months, the average vaccine takes about 5 years so i wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

So in the end, yeah, you needed either a better plan or be better at relaying what the actual plan was.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, I'm gonna say that won't end up happening. Like the NBA, once one of them tests positive, it'll be over.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/c...test-positive/

There are several players that have tested positive from the NBA. They have not canceled the season.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

It's 100k - 240k total, not 240k in the next few days. People really need to quit watching fear porn. First they compared it 1918 where 20-50M died. Currently we are under 50k in the entire world. Little difference there. Then we got the predictions that went from 3M deaths in the US and has incrementally worked it's way down. I know people who have had Corona but none of them died or had any complications. On the other hand I know a ton of people who are having their life destroyed. Lost job and income. Losing their businesses.Look around you instead of at all the fear porn on TV. Lets put this in perspective.

Deaths in the US annually

Car accidents almost 40k
Heart disease 650k
Cancer 600k
Unintentional injuries 170k
Chronic lower respiratory disease 160k
Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases 147k
Alzheimers 125k
Diabetes 84k
The flu 61k
Kidney disease 52k
Suicide 50k

The Wuhan virus is killing 10's of millions of Americans but not in the way exploited by the media with their fear porn. Millions are losing their job, their homes, businesses and life savings. We do this long enough we could have a great depression, awesome. The chance that covid 19 is what's going to take you out is slightly above zero. The death rate no matter what it is projecting at this moment is a grain of sand on the beach of what could happen to the quality of life for all of us if people keep buying into this BS.

Previous predictions were all worst case scenarios based on "if you do nothing....". So, you either overreact and never know if those numbers would have become a reality, or you do nothing and hope all of the smart people who devote their lives to this stuff actually had no idea what they were talking about when it comes to worst case scenarios.

Want to boost the economy or fill all the potholes? We should do something else with the billions invested in cancer research, since people die from heart disease and car accidents.

Granted, there's no risk of all of those categories combined all of a sudden filling up hospital beds to the point of choosing who lives and who dies while completely overwhelming healthcare workers.... which I'm sure would be great for the economy.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/c...test-positive/

There are several players that have tested positive from the NBA. They have not canceled the season.

Yeah, you guys think they'll be playing anytime soon?

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, you guys think they'll be playing anytime soon?

Not a "follower" of the NBA so I have no idea. I figure that all the major sports, NFL, MLB, NBA will all play some sort of shortened season.