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12-05-2017, 01:22 PM | #1396 |
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12-05-2017, 03:09 PM | #1397 |
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Mish update on the San Fran offer:
Tyler Beede Heliot Ramos Chris Shaw Christian Arroyo Plus taking on $250 million of the contract DJ, what would be a comparable deal from us? |
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12-05-2017, 03:14 PM | #1398 | |
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Sierra's closer to the majors than Ramos by a fair amount but Ramos has more potential so I could see the Marlins preferring Ramos. If Ramos were to have a year at full-season ball like he just put up in RK ball, he could end up in the top 25 on a lot of prospect lists and start getting the Robles treatment. The problem is that you can say that about probably 50 guys every year in RK ball. But Ramos also has the pedigree. Arroyo is pretty much a UTIL player; the rough equivalent to Greg Garcia. Wisdom's RH power may be attractive to a team that doesn't have much going for it at 3b long-term like FL. If you take positions out of it you probably get Alcantra = Ramos, Sierra = Beede, Bader = Shaw and Wisdom = Arroyo. If the Cardinals are also willing to take on more money than SF, that makes their deal better. But Ramos included would explain why the Marlins are giving Stanton the opportunity to call his shot - it's close enough to what the Cards can do that it's worth exploring. The short answer is that the Cardinals could beat it without batting an eye, IMO. |
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12-05-2017, 03:28 PM | #1399 |
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To put RK ball performance in perspective, the Royals traded a kid named Esteury Ruiz to the padres in that Cahill, Maurer, Buchter deal last year and sent Wood and Strahm over with him.
Strahm, 1 year prior, had looked to be one of the best young arms in the entire Royals system and had strong stuff to match the performance. With his age, track record and service time advantages over Buchter, Strahm and Wood for Buchter and Cahill was probably a pretty even 'value' trade. So Ruiz, who also wrecked RK ball last year with a big time BA, plus ISO and outstanding SB totals, was worth roughly Brandon Maurer. Maurer's a pretty fungible reliever who's now arb eligible and has had a career ERA around 5.00 despite spending his entire career in pitchers parks. He's maybe a supercharged version of Seth Maness. Maybe. That's how much weight you can put on RK ball seasons, even extremely young ones. Those guys just don't have a ton of value built up yet. So you're basing their value on their pedigree, which is why Ramos has the trade value he has as a former 1st rounder. I'd take Alcantara over him, but it's arguable either way. |
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12-05-2017, 03:56 PM | #1400 |
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hell we could throw in a better outfielder or prospect than Bader or Sierra and not hurt us at all and it would still be worth 3 years of Stanton.
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12-05-2017, 04:00 PM | #1401 | |
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If the Marlins came back and said "Make it Alcantara, O'Niell, Bader and Wisdom and we'll close the door on the Giants and tell Giancarlo it's STL or Miami", then you have to make the offer. But I doubt they can get the Marlins to do it at this point; they're too far down the road with the Giants and too much smoke has come out of it. So if that's the case, there's no reason to further sweeten the pot - either Stanton will come to STL or he won't. If he says yes, that deal gets made without putting in a better OFer. If he says no, it doesn't get made either way. I still think the Cardinals slow played this long enough to let the Giants take the lead in it and that's worthy of some admonition. But apart from that, I think they've done all they can do here. So you give it until the winter meetings and then see if a similar package gets any traction on Ozuna (it won't on Yelich, IMO). |
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12-05-2017, 06:09 PM | #1402 |
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everything I've read says Yelich is going to bring some level of trade like Reyes/ Alacantra/Sierra/Grichuk or Piscotty. If so, that's too much for me.
What do you think it's going to take to land Ozuna. I'm expecting/hoping they make a trade like one of these above and then overpay for some FA. |
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12-05-2017, 06:35 PM | #1403 |
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Yelich is definitely going to cost a pretty penny. He's young, already a 4-5 WAR player, and under contract for the next 4 years plus a team option for a 5th year.
A similar player, but slightly older and cheaper, was traded just last year and went for the #3 MiLB prosect, another kid in the 30's who some would argue has more potential than the #3, and the teams current year 1st round draft pick. I don't think the Cardinals get that deal done without Reyes involved and because of his TJ surgery you can bet at least 1 more of the Cardinals prospects in the top 100 would be involved too. |
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12-05-2017, 06:47 PM | #1404 | |
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I'm talking #1 starter on a playoff caliber team not the #1 on the Padres etc. |
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12-05-2017, 07:17 PM | #1405 | |
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Yelich will cost a lot and is more of a complementary player, albeit a very very good one. If a Yelich and Ozuna deal can be made, I'd work in that framework but without another big run production bat, you don't get your money's worth from Yelich. I'd have to hold onto Reyes then. |
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12-06-2017, 12:43 AM | #1406 |
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The pebble
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12-06-2017, 08:33 AM | #1407 |
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The ace in the hole... Kolten Wong.
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12-06-2017, 11:20 AM | #1408 |
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12-06-2017, 11:37 AM | #1409 |
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Wong finally started to look like the player we'd hoped he'd be when he was a top prospect.
I see what Merrifield did last year and think "well damn, that's EXACTLY who we hoped Wong would become..." and how much would we love to have that guy at/near the top of our order? Well Wong showed growth in a lot of key skills last year. If he's healthy this year, he's a 3 WAR player, IMO. I'd rather give him a shot here. |
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