***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[philfree]

We had all kinds of plans scheduled and some with our grandsons who live out of state. The trip the wife and I were supposed to take in the beginning of March we had to cancel but of course I had to eat one hotel reservation and then the condo at the beach wouldn't refund the money so we had to just pick a date and re-book. And then we had reservations at the Great Wolf Lodge with our grandsons and we had cancel those and got a refund but the airline doesn't give refunds. So sometime between now and next February my grandsons and their dad have to fly somewhere or the money will be lost. And then in June we have reservations for all of us at the same beach condo and I doubt we can make it under the current circumstances so I need to cancel those 30 days ahead of time or I'll have to eat that. We don't have flights booked for that trip yet so that's good. Under the circumstances the no refund BS tics me off pretty damn bad. I expect it from the airlines because they don't give nothing back but not from the condo where we've stayed several times.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Tech a violation of 1st amendment

The guy said this though:

We brought in 13 machines that basically kill every virus in the place," Howard-Browne said. "If they sneeze it shoots it down like at 100 miles per hour and it will neutralize it in a split second."

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

sorry man, I was warned early on about borderline posts by Daface. Out of respect to him and the rules we all abide by I’ve changed what I posted and replied too. Thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated.

I agree with your church statement. That’s a total different thing to make the pastor an “Example” or scare people into compliance. Especially when they had a bar owner to go after for their “example”.

Well did they go and talk to the bar owner first?

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by philfree

We had all kinds of plans scheduled and some with our grandsons who live out of state. The trip the wife and I were supposed to take in the beginning of March we had to cancel but of course I had to eat one hotel reservation and then the condo at the beach wouldn't refund the money so we had to just pick a date and re-book. And then we had reservations at the Great Wolf Lodge with our grandsons and we had cancel those and got a refund but the airline doesn't give refunds. So sometime between now and next February my grandsons and their dad have to fly somewhere or the money will be lost. And then in June we have reservations for all of us at the same beach condo and I doubt we can make it under the current circumstances so I need to cancel those 30 days ahead of time or I'll have to eat that. We don't have flights booked for that trip yet so that's good. Under the circumstances the no refund BS tics me off pretty damn bad. I expect it from the airlines because they don't give nothing back but not from the condo where we've stayed several times.

The condo guy is probably getting his pretty hard by this. I mean, making customers happy is really important, but surviving is even more important.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by eDave

The guys said this though:

We brought in 13 machines that basically kill every virus in the place," Howard-Browne said. "If they sneeze it shoots it down like at 100 miles per hour and it will neutralize it in a split second."

we could use about 1 million of those fantastic sounding machines right now.

[lewdog]

AZ finally locking down.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by lewdog

AZ finally locking down.

Really? Good.

Clarification: It's a stay at home order.

[RINGLEADER]

Not sure if this has been shared (sorry, tough to keep up with the thread during the day), but it supposedly makes all the modeling and updates daily. Takes into account when different measures were put in place to mitigate using up health care resources and ICUs. Can look at the entire US (estimating around 82,000 deaths through August right now) or individual states (looks like CA won't run out of beds of ICUs!!).

The numbers, again, update daily and CA has been on a great trajectory down. So just because it shows XX number of deaths today it doesn't mean it won't drop tomorrow.

Anyway, found it interesting...

http://covid19.healthdata.org/

[Hog Rider]

Originally Posted by eDave

Really? Good.

Clarification: It's a stay at home order.

Is it a stay in your own country order too?

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by eDave

Really? Good.

Clarification: It's a stay at home order.

If you read the order, it’s basically to force some fringe or non essential business to close down so their employees can file for unemployment. There is almost zero restrictions otherwise. You can still play golf, for instance. Oh and you will not be asked to show any paperwork validating your reason to be out and about. It’s generally a really strong suggestion to social distance.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

If you read the order, it’s basically to force some fringe or non essential business to close down so their employees can file for unemployment. There is almost zero restrictions otherwise. You can still play golf, for instance. Oh and you will not be asked to show any paperwork validating your reason to be out and about. It’s generally a really strong suggestion to social distance.

Just read it.

Pretty weak attempt.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Good news. The Walmarts won't be over run soon.

https://pfcleadership.org/blog/2019/...9-mil-by-2025/

[arrowheadnation]

I almost teared up a little at the sight of this headline...just happy to see positive progress finally. Hopefully it keeps going.

https://www.kwch.com/content/news/He...569231241.html

[RedRaider56]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Not sure if this has been shared (sorry, tough to keep up with the thread during the day), but it supposedly makes all the modeling and updates daily. Takes into account when different measures were put in place to mitigate using up health care resources and ICUs. Can look at the entire US (estimating around 82,000 deaths through August right now) or individual states (looks like CA won't run out of beds of ICUs!!).

The numbers, again, update daily and CA has been on a great trajectory down. So just because it shows XX number of deaths today it doesn't mean it won't drop tomorrow.

Anyway, found it interesting...

http://covid19.healthdata.org/

Interesting website for sure

[BWillie]

Golf courses open in Kansas or Missouri?

Anywhere.