***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SPchief]

This is for real ya'll. If you say it enough, it'll be real

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Hopefully it's not a one-off situation. Need to get a positive trend going across many days in a row.

Right. You need a sustained pattern of success to know if we are on the right track. One good doesn't day mean much in the grand scheme of things. Lets see how the rest of the week goes.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by O.city

So I had to venture out of the house tonight, first time I’ve left since Thursday. Guy got my info from someone and got in touch with me. Severe toothache only gets better when he has ice water in his mouth.

After doing yard work and cutting limbs all day I thought “yay now I get to go do a root canal or pull this guys tooth” . But in that moment I caught myself and said “self, this dude is in a world of pain and you can help him, get over your shit and get off your ass”

So met him at the office, took and X-ray, numbed him up and took the tooth out. He has insurance so I just took his card and told him not to worry about the co pay or paying anything, if insurance pays on it great. If not, eh, it cost me about 2 dollars to go do it so no big deal. Guy broke down into tears after because he had been in pain over the weekend and was so relieved to have it over with.

Anyway We talk for a minute or two from about 10 feet apart and go on our separate way.

Point of the story, driving their Springfield to my office, it was surreal. Ghost town and nothing is open and highways are dead. Weird feeling

That was super considerate. Good karma for you.

Meanwhile my landlord of one of our offices wants us to move out in the middle of a pandemic.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by BossChief

This can’t be right, can it?

0 recovered cases in NY?

According to the Worldometers site, if you take the total numbers for NY and reduce by deaths and active cases you get 3,572. Presumably they have recovered.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Up to 10 percent of recovered coronavirus patients test positive again, report says

https://www.foxnews.com/health/up-to...in-report-says

Not so good but the doctors do say in the article that no one showed symptoms a second time and others around them didn’t catch it. And also this:

But, he said, these are just “small samples” and “not enough to assure us of the validity of our initial findings.”

[AustinChief]

I am going to again ask a question I asked a while back...

If by April 3rd(Friday) we have a solid trend of fewer deaths per day AND we have more significant data showing that the treatments we are applying are effective (let's say a 50% increased reduction of viral load compared to a control group or we can use cytokine storm reduction as the barometer), would you support starting to reduce government imposed restrictions?

If not, where do you draw the line? What metric would you use?

The way I see it, at some point WE need to make up our minds where the acceptable risk lies. There is NEVER going to be a world without risk. The flu kills 20-60k a year in the US and we don't bat an eye, we live with that risk every year. What is the acceptable risk for Covid-19?

Just to preempt anyone talking about number of cases... I will say right now I will never care about that figure it is fairly meaningless especially if effective treatments are an option. Deaths are really what matters to me when it comes to this discussion.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

A sad scene at Brooklyn Hospital #Covid_19 #coronavirus pic.twitter.com/dRUNE61yPs

— Joe Borelli (@JoeBorelliNYC) March 29, 2020

But is it for real?

25 This is for reals
18 Y’alls
11 This is Brooklyns

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

I am going to again ask a question I asked a while back...

If by April 3rd(Wednesday) we have a solid trend of fewer deaths per day AND we have more significant data showing that the treatments we are applying are effective (let's say a 50% increased reduction of viral load compared to a control group or we can use cytokine storm reduction as the barometer), would you support starting to reduce government imposed restrictions?

If not, where do you draw the line? What metric would you use?

The way I see it, at some point WE need to make up our minds where the acceptable risk lies. There is NEVER going to be a world without risk. The flu kills 20-60k a year in the US and we don't bat an eye, we live with that risk every year. What is the acceptable risk for Covid-19?

Just to preempt anyone talking about number of cases... I will say right now I will never care about that figure it is fairly meaningless especially if effective treatments are an option. Deaths are really what matters to me when it comes to this discussion.

If there’s a treatment and there’s a way to effectively sequester the elderly and at-risk then I’d be okay with something once the case load starts coming down in a meaningful way.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

If there’s a treatment and there’s a way to effectively sequester the elderly and at-risk then I’d be okay with something once the case load starts coming down in a meaningful way.

This is what I wanted from the get go. Unfortunately there is no 100% foolproof solution for that BUT I think we and local/state/Federal governments can continue to emphasize this point and do what we can individually and collectively to subsidize those that should be sequestered. That should be enough.

By caseload, I would agree with you IF we are talking those in critical condition and the US death rate. We can't use overall caseload as a metric since the vast majority of people are fine to get the virus and recover even without any treatment.

Regarding treatment, at what point do you consider a treatment effective? I am not prepared to wait 3-6 months for an entire workup on each trial. I think we are going to have to take a certain leap of faith at some point in the near future.

[Demonpenz]

No one is doing shit anyway. Baskin Robbins was packed. Everything is open that i can see. Mine as well make it formal to carry on.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

I am going to again ask a question I asked a while back...

If by April 3rd(Friday) we have a solid trend of fewer deaths per day AND we have more significant data showing that the treatments we are applying are effective (let's say a 50% increased reduction of viral load compared to a control group or we can use cytokine storm reduction as the barometer), would you support starting to reduce government imposed restrictions?

If not, where do you draw the line? What metric would you use?

The way I see it, at some point WE need to make up our minds where the acceptable risk lies. There is NEVER going to be a world without risk. The flu kills 20-60k a year in the US and we don't bat an eye, we live with that risk every year. What is the acceptable risk for Covid-19?

Just to preempt anyone talking about number of cases... I will say right now I will never care about that figure it is fairly meaningless especially if effective treatments are an option. Deaths are really what matters to me when it comes to this discussion.

It would have to be done regionally april 3 wouldn't work for everywhere and travel would have to be limited from and to hot spots etc..
As far as the Flu comparison goes I don't remember seeing hospitals get overwhelmed like this during the worst flu seasons the rate of hospitalization must be higher even though the CFR will eventually end up closer to the flu than it is now.

[Rausch]

So now it's coming out that not only was China selling defective test kits and masks but were purchasing tons of medical equipment through a real estate proxy from Canada, the US, and Australia to ship back to China.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/nbc-pr...-are-defective

But as it turns out, the majority of COVID-19 test kits and N95-like masks manufactured in China and shipped to countries in dire need are defective.

The Netherlands announced on Saturday that they were recalling more than 1 million defective Chinese-made masks, which were nearly deployed to the Dutch medical workforce...

...In Spain, which currently has the fourth-highest number of coronavirus cases in the world, the government purchased 640,000 rapid test kits from China and South Korea as it fights the pandemic. Experts soon discovered, however, that the tests it purchased from Chinese company Bioeasy were only correctly identifying coronavirus cases 30 percent of the time, according to Spain's El Pais.

The Czech Republic also purchased 150,000 rapid test kits from China, and have likewise found problems. One doctor using the tests found that 80 percent of the kits were faulty and has reverted back to the conventional lab tests, which are significantly slower to process.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-...t_3287736.html

The Greenland Group, which manages property developments worldwide with the backing of the Chinese government, hoarded 3 million face masks, hand sanitizer, half a million pairs of gloves, 700,000 hazmat suits, thermometers, and other medical items that have been in short supply in the country, The Sydney Morning Herald reported.

A whistleblower from the property giant told the news outlet fellow employees in Australia, Canada, Turkey and elsewhere were told to cease normal work, and instead source essential medical supplies in bulk to be stored at its Sydney headquarters, for shipment to China throughout January and February.

Be advised that the blaze is a conservative slanted news service. Be advised that the Epoch times despises the CCP and has a clear bias against them.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Monticore

It would have to be done regionally april 3 wouldn't work for everywhere and travel would have to be limited from and to hot spots etc..
As far as the Flu comparison goes I don't remember seeing hospitals get overwhelmed like this during the worst flu seasons the rate of hospitalization must be higher even though the CFR will eventually end up closer to the flu than it is now.

There is no stopping this. It's going to run it's course and we can only hope to delay it and prevent massive numbers at once.

And if we shut down long enough to reach a true depression (which might already be the case) that could lead to just as many deaths. This is like starting off up hill with a stick - you've got to balance each pedal just right or it dies...

[Monticore]

[QUOTE=Rausch;14876309]So now it's coming out that not only was China selling defective test kits and masks but were purchasing tons of medical equipment through a real estate proxy from Canada, the US, and Australia to ship back to China.



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Canadian Government sent those bastards 50K masks and tons of other supplies to help with their outbreak and now it looks like they sent us back 30K to help us if this is true they need to pay somehow.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

It would have to be done regionally april 3 wouldn't work for everywhere and travel would have to be limited from and to hot spots etc..
As far as the Flu comparison goes I don't remember seeing hospitals get overwhelmed like this during the worst flu seasons the rate of hospitalization must be higher even though the CFR will eventually end up closer to the flu than it is now.

This virus is far more contagious than the flu.