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08-18-2020, 01:44 PM | #1336 |
I’m a Mahomo!
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FUBAR for KUMAR
Trade Merrifield while he has value. |
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08-18-2020, 02:28 PM | #1337 | |
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I think at this point that injury is basically the end of the road. I can't think of someone who has come back from it remotely healthy. |
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08-18-2020, 02:52 PM | #1338 | |
The Insider
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But yes Connie was a dumb move letting go. |
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08-18-2020, 02:54 PM | #1339 | |
World's Best Boss
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The list of starters who haven't come close to even reaching Young's success from that surgery has expanded exponentially since 2016. |
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08-18-2020, 03:01 PM | #1340 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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And perhaps the weirdest one of all may be the most fun - Daniel Bard. Remember that guy? Just a monster in relief for a couple years, BoSox tried to start him, he got the yips and then just came unglued. Had surgery for TOS in '13 and tried to come back with the Rangers and Cardinals. In 13 minor league innings he walked 46 guys. I'm frankly amazed he managed to retire 39 at any point. Out of nowhere he shows up in Colorado's spring camp this year, 3 years removed from any kind of professional baseball, pitches his way onto the team and has walked 1 guy in 11 innings so far w/ thoroughly respectable peripherals - actually has a FIP right now of 1.30. Small sample size caveats obviously apply, but he's a cool guy to see make it back. It's damn rare to see someone overcome Blass disease, let alone that AND a TOS issue. And to come back throwing 97 in his late 30s? Just pretty remarkable. |
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08-18-2020, 03:09 PM | #1341 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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The success stories like Kenny Rogers aren't recent in time. Jaime Garcia bounced back okay but it's really been a decade or so since a truly successful return. I think you can probably call Mike Foltynewicz a success - his stuff fully recovered and he was a damn good pitcher in '18 and over the second half of '19. He sucks right now, but that's unlikely to have anything to do with the TOS. But it's not like TJ surgery - guys aren't getting better at recovering from it. The results are as bad now as they've ever been. Probably not a great thing for the Pirates and Chris Archer, seeing as how they gave up a couple of potential All-Stars in Meadows and Glasnow to get him (and another pretty good prospect as well). |
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08-18-2020, 07:39 PM | #1342 | |
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While going back to the 90s. How about this free agent signing that the Royals missed out on:
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/08/s...e-molitor.html Quote:
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08-18-2020, 07:47 PM | #1343 |
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How about this one...December 1991 - C Brent Mayne and P Luis Aquino to the Houston Astros for CF Kenny Lofton and IF Dave Rohde.
Royals turned that down cause of Brian McRae. Sad, Lofton had a HOF trajectory for about 6 years. |
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08-18-2020, 07:53 PM | #1344 |
In Search of a Life
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08-18-2020, 07:58 PM | #1345 | |
Rabbi Goldmann
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Here’s one: March 2003 Royals trade Beltran for Michael Young + Hank Blaylock. (Rangers offered) |
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08-18-2020, 08:00 PM | #1346 | |
Rabbi Goldmann
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Funny you mentioned: that Cone interview I saw, he mentioned Joe wanted to go play in KC. (Obv he lives at Hallbrook, I played golf there last summer and he is on the member roster for their Club championship even now) Cone claimed Joe wanted to come with but backed out last minute, so we gave Gagne the contract. |
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08-18-2020, 08:01 PM | #1347 |
The Insider
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Kenny Lofton is the prototype CF for Royals Stadium. Speed and defense would have been perfect.
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08-18-2020, 08:12 PM | #1348 | |
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08-18-2020, 08:44 PM | #1349 |
Hockey Town
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They also had offers of Kevin Youkilis and Kelly Shoppach from Boston the Yankees offered Cano and Dioner Navarro, Royals turned both down...and got the abortion they did.
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08-18-2020, 08:50 PM | #1350 |
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That 1994 group was going to be a great race to the finish. The Indians young group of stars had found their groove, and the White Sox were a playoff team. Then we had the hottest team in the league with solid defense, speed and a really good pitching staff led by Cone/Appier.
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