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**Rain Man** · 03-22-2009, 12:15 AM

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.

Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)

Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.

Teams As Of Post #113:

Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

**The Franchise** · 04-29-2009, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yep. Post your answers to the first two questions and then post your draft.

Since this is a long-term game, if you trade Tony G. you get a 2010 2nd rounder out of it.

Alright....I'll get right on that.

Hoover · 04-29-2009, 10:27 AM

I'll take Des Moines

**The Franchise** · 04-29-2009, 11:05 AM

Alright....so here is my one issue.

It's going to be hard to judge our teams based on redrafting for the Chiefs. Say for instance I take Ron Brace to be our NT in the 3-4. Well if you judge just based off of stats and how he played....I'm going to get screwed because he'll be backing up Vince Wilfork and he won't be getting much playing time.

A second instance of that is if I draft someone for my 3-4....but he plays in a 4-3. His stats are going to be skewed (if he even starts).

Understand where I'm going with this?

bdeg · 04-29-2009, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

Alright....so here is my one issue.

It's going to be hard to judge our teams based on redrafting for the Chiefs. Say for instance I take Ron Brace to be our NT in the 3-4. Well if you judge just based off of stats and how he played....I'm going to get screwed because he'll be backing up Vince Wilfork and he won't be getting much playing time.

A second instance of that is if I draft someone for my 3-4....but he plays in a 4-3. His stats are going to be skewed (if he even starts).

Understand where I'm going with this?

that's why I don't like the idea of judging by stats, i think we may have to trust that everyone voting knows what kind of a season a player had or would've had based not only on stats

**Rain Man** · 04-29-2009, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg

that's why I don't like the idea of judging by stats, i think we may have to trust that everyone voting knows what kind of a season a player had or would've had based not only on stats

My initial thinking is that we won't be judging by stats. We'll let people each make an argument for the strengths of their team, and then let the voters decide who has the better team. I could see people using stats as part of their argument, but I don't think they should be the sole argument, in part because we know their stats would change with different teammates.

One big variable is indeed the fact that a Ron Brace could end up behind Vince Wilfork in real life when he's a starter for an Alternate Reality team. This is why I'm setting our draft to occur after the "real" draft, so we can at least handicap the odds of such things.

If someone has a different proposal for selecting the best teams, we can certainly discuss it, too. I think that is indeed the biggest weakness of this game.

chiefscafan · 04-29-2009, 11:54 AM

The voting still makes me weary. If someone is more popular on here than another that could influence their vote. I don't know how you make that fair.

**Rain Man** · 04-29-2009, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

The voting still makes me weary. If someone is more popular on here than another that could influence their vote. I don't know how you make that fair.

I wonder if we could take it to an objective third party, like the Orange Mane or some other team's board. Or maybe WPI, now that I think about it.

**The Franchise** · 04-29-2009, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefscafan

The voting still makes me weary. If someone is more popular on here than another that could influence their vote. I don't know how you make that fair.

I honestly don't care if some people vote for someone because they like them. To me this isn't about winning and it isn't about popularity. I'm using it to basically be like Madden without the video game system. I want to see what kind of team I can build.

**The Franchise** · 04-29-2009, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I wonder if we could take it to an objective third party, like the Orange Mane or some other team's board. Or maybe WPI, now that I think about it.

If you take it to WPI......anyone that didn't accept the Cassel trade is going to get a shitty grade.

**The Franchise** · 04-29-2009, 02:23 PM

Oh and Rainman.....here are the picks if you want to put them in the opening post.

#3
(#34) If the Cassel/Vrabel trade isn't accepted
#67
#102
#139
#175
#212
(#237) If the 7th round trade is accepted. If it is then we lose a 7th round pick in 2010.
#256

Ultra Peanut · 04-29-2009, 02:40 PM

Memphis Jackals

Cassel/Vrabel trade: **** NO.
Gonzo trade: Yes.
Rd7 trade: Yes.

2009 NFL Entry Draft:

#3 - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
#34 - Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
#67 - Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina
#102 - Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
#139 - Jarrett Dillard, WR, Rice
#175 - Aaron Brown, RB, TCU
#212 - Curtis Taylor, FS, LSU
#237 - Clinton McDonald, DT, Memphis
#256 - Dannell Ellerbe, ILB, Georgia

**The Franchise** · 04-29-2009, 02:45 PM

1. The Slackers reject the Cassel/Vrabel trade.
2. The Slackers accept the Gonzales trade.
3. The Slackers accept the 2009 7th round pick for 2010 7th round pick.

The 2009 Sioux Falls Slackers NFL Draft

#3 - Mark Sanchez - QB - USC
#34 - Everette Brown - DE/OLB - Florida State
#67 - Jarron Gilbert - DE - San Jose State
#102 - Lawrence Sidbury - DE/OLB - Richmond
#139 - Fenuki Tupou - OT - Oregon
#175 - Brandon Gibson - WR - Washington State
#212 - A.Q. Shipley - OC/OG - Penn State
#237 - Trevor Canfield - OG - Cincinatti
#256 - Chris Baker - NT - Hampton

**The Franchise** · 04-29-2009, 03:10 PM

Does the 35 players include the people we draft?

**banyon** · 04-29-2009, 05:57 PM

1. The Buckshot Cheneys accept the Cassel/Vrabel trade.
2. The Buckshot Cheneys accept the Gonzales trade.
3. The Buckshot Cheneys accept the 2009 7th round pick for 2010 7th round pick.

2009 Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys Draft

#3 - BJ Raji DT Boston College
#34 (Traded for Cassel)
#67 - Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech
#102 - Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma
#139 - Cornelius Ingraham TE Florida
#175 - Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
#212 - Demetrius Byrd WR LSU
#237 - Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU
#256 - Chase Daniel QB Missouri

**Rain Man** · 04-29-2009, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

Does the 35 players include the people we draft?

Yep.

I'm working on my team now. Just gotta review the draft.

03-22-2009, 12:15 AM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Rain Man's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house	Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years. 1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster. 2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add. 3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing. 4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster. 5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have. 6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post. 6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. 7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players. Original post: You can ignore this now. Spoiler! Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon. The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting. Here's how the game will work. Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.) Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly. Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub". Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285. Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues. Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player. There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap. I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting. So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team. Teams As Of Post #113: Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox) Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333) Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman) Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon) Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover) Duluth Normans (Rain Man) El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz) Fargo Rape (SNR) Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good) Fresno Refugees (Adam) Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter) Hartford Manticores (Crush) Honolulu Craters (Sully) Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu) Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser) Little Rock Reapers (doomy3) Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan) Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis) Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut) Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka) Omaha Streakers (speak24) Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry) Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72) San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog) Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg) Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23) Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts) Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1) Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie) Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk) Worcester Sauce (unothadeal) Added Rules and Reminders: 1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted. 2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in. 3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent. For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259) For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.) You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) Last edited by Rain Man; 04-25-2024 at 11:30 AM..*
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04-29-2009, 10:27 AM	#122
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Hoover's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2000	I'll take Des Moines
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04-29-2009, 11:05 AM	#123
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain The Franchise's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2006	Alright....so here is my one issue. It's going to be hard to judge our teams based on redrafting for the Chiefs. Say for instance I take Ron Brace to be our NT in the 3-4. Well if you judge just based off of stats and how he played....I'm going to get screwed because he'll be backing up Vince Wilfork and he won't be getting much playing time. A second instance of that is if I draft someone for my 3-4....but he plays in a 4-3. His stats are going to be skewed (if he even starts). Understand where I'm going with this?
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04-29-2009, 11:54 AM	#126
chiefscafan Veteran chiefscafan's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA	The voting still makes me weary. If someone is more popular on here than another that could influence their vote. I don't know how you make that fair.
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04-29-2009, 02:23 PM	#130
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain The Franchise's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2006	Oh and Rainman.....here are the picks if you want to put them in the opening post. #3 (#34) If the Cassel/Vrabel trade isn't accepted #67 #102 #139 #175 #212 (#237) If the 7th round trade is accepted. If it is then we lose a 7th round pick in 2010. #256
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04-29-2009, 02:40 PM	#131
Ultra Peanut v^V^v^V^v^V^ Ultra Peanut's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Holland*	Memphis Jackals Cassel/Vrabel trade: **** NO. Gonzo trade: Yes. Rd7 trade: Yes. 2009 NFL Entry Draft: #3 - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC #34 - Everette Brown, DE, Florida State #67 - Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina #102 - Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma #139 - Jarrett Dillard, WR, Rice #175 - Aaron Brown, RB, TCU #212 - Curtis Taylor, FS, LSU #237 - Clinton McDonald, DT, Memphis #256 - Dannell Ellerbe, ILB, Georgia
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04-29-2009, 02:45 PM	#132
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain The Franchise's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2006	1. The Slackers reject the Cassel/Vrabel trade. 2. The Slackers accept the Gonzales trade. 3. The Slackers accept the 2009 7th round pick for 2010 7th round pick. The 2009 Sioux Falls Slackers NFL Draft #3 - Mark Sanchez - QB - USC #34 - Everette Brown - DE/OLB - Florida State #67 - Jarron Gilbert - DE - San Jose State #102 - Lawrence Sidbury - DE/OLB - Richmond #139 - Fenuki Tupou - OT - Oregon #175 - Brandon Gibson - WR - Washington State #212 - A.Q. Shipley - OC/OG - Penn State #237 - Trevor Canfield - OG - Cincinatti #256 - Chris Baker - NT - Hampton Last edited by The Franchise; 04-29-2009 at 03:07 PM..
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04-29-2009, 03:10 PM	#133
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain The Franchise's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2006	Does the 35 players include the people we draft?
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04-29-2009, 05:57 PM	#134
banyon Supporter banyon's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hermosa, SD	1. The Buckshot Cheneys accept the Cassel/Vrabel trade. 2. The Buckshot Cheneys accept the Gonzales trade. 3. The Buckshot Cheneys accept the 2009 7th round pick for 2010 7th round pick. 2009 Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys Draft #3 - BJ Raji DT Boston College #34 (Traded for Cassel) #67 - Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech #102 - Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma #139 - Cornelius Ingraham TE Florida #175 - Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State #212 - Demetrius Byrd WR LSU #237 - Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU #256 - Chase Daniel QB Missouri Last edited by banyon; 04-29-2009 at 08:11 PM..
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