|
03-24-2024, 04:15 PM | #121 | |
MVP
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Michigan
|
Quote:
|
|
Posts: 12,744
|
03-24-2024, 04:31 PM | #122 | |
MVP
Join Date: May 2001
Location: midtown KC
|
Quote:
Versus someone for Mahomes to throw the ball to. |
|
Posts: 17,950
|
03-24-2024, 04:39 PM | #123 | |
MVP
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Helena, MT
|
Quote:
I would think/hope that there is some universe of resources where the Chiefs convert everything to a common unit: Veteran league minimum or whatever% of the salary cap is worth X of made up unit (We can reference them as Chiefsbux going forward.). Pick 17 is worth Y Chiefsbux. Now that picks and salary cap allocations are all now quantified in Chiefsbux, you can use that to evaluate value per production at a given position. Then employed as follows: We can get unsatisfactory/satisfactory/strong production for 1.25 Chiefsbux. We value on this type of production as being worth 3 Chiefsbux, so our value per unit of production is net +1.75 Chiefsbux. It's contrived, but I think it would be helpful as a secondary measure of production vs. resources: We expect a net Chiefsbux return of +1.5/player or 150%/player at WR. Therefore, MVS producing 1.5 Chiefsbux in value versus 3.0 Chiefsbux cost is -1.5 or 50% and we are going to trigger a review of him as a cut candidate. |
|
Posts: 18,627
|
03-24-2024, 05:12 PM | #124 | |
MVP
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Michigan
|
Quote:
Do I think we should go WR before DT? Yes. Would I under any circumstance? No. For example, if Ruke Ororohoro is sitting there at 64, then there better be one hell of a WR option sitting there or I'd wait until Round 3 because I think this year will have good options there. It's all relative. The only pressing need right now is LT, until Veach does something about that in the coming days. |
|
Posts: 12,744
|
2 0 |
03-24-2024, 05:46 PM | #125 | |
MVP
Join Date: May 2001
Location: midtown KC
|
Quote:
I don't know that Kelce at 36 should be considered a WR at all, much less WR1 or 2, and that's assuming he doesn't call it a career should they threepeat. I mean, that is a very real possibility, especially with his brother calling it. Ororohoro is an interesting prospect, for sure, but what role does he play in a Chris Jones led defensive front? He's a 3 tech. So, he spells Jones when Jones needs a breather, and he plays some passing downs if you want to move Jones out to DE? I don't see him as a run down 1T. Given how much we just paid Jones, I don't think that's a great value pick. Had we NOT signed Jones, I'd be with you. And please don't take any snark in my response; we're just talking theoretics. Of course, now that I've said all of that, Veach will go all in on DL in this draft. LOL |
|
Posts: 17,950
|
03-24-2024, 06:31 PM | #126 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2008
|
Quote:
|
|
Posts: 2,402
|
03-24-2024, 06:47 PM | #127 | |
MVP
Join Date: May 2001
Location: midtown KC
|
Quote:
|
|
Posts: 17,950
|
03-24-2024, 07:11 PM | #128 |
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2008
|
Rice and Hollywood are wr1 and 2. and we have Kelce, I get it, he’s aging. We don’t have a competent LT. That’s clearly the biggest need. And this is a deep wr class. Rice, McMillan and Baker are typically around WR 20 in rankings and if that’s close, one of those might be available in the 4th. I also like Gould as a punt returner and slot wr in the 5th. And I haven’t checked out means or Cornelius Johnson but they are big and fast with some production. Long story short, we don’t have to have another wr to run it back. The group we have for 2024 will be better than 2023; already is. And if another person is better than a wr, take that guy. Plus the wr draft is DEEP. We can get talent in the 4th or maybe even later. We just need a little luck.
BUB MEANS WR PITTSBURGH | NFL DRAFT PROFILE & SCOUTING REPORT ROLE: OUTSIDE X-RECEIVER LAST UPDATED: 03/13/2024 DRAFT YEAR: 2024 40 TIME: 4.43 SECONDS (76%*) BOWL INVITE: SHRINE BOWL MEASURABLES: HEIGHT: 6-1 (52%*) WEIGHT: 212 (76%*) HANDS: 10 1/8 (81%*) ARM: 33 1/4 (75%*) SPAN: 80 2/8 (90%*) FORTY: 4.43 (C) (76%*) TEN YARD: 1.55 (C) (61%*) VERTICAL: 39.5 (C) (91%*) BROAD: 122 (C) (57%*) BENCH: 19 (C) (85%*) CORNELIUS JOHNSON WR MICHIGAN NFL DRAFT PROFILE & SCOUTING REPORT ROLE: OUTSIDE X-RECEIVER LAST UPDATED: 03/13/2024 DRAFT YEAR: 2024 40 TIME: 4.44 SECONDS (73%*) AGE: 23.3 DOB: 11/29/2000 BOWL INVITE: SHRINE BOWL MEASURABLES: HEIGHT: 6-3 (79%*) WEIGHT: 212 (76%*) HANDS: 8 5/8 (17%*) ARM: 31 7/8 (49%*) SPAN: 76 7/8 (56%*) FORTY: 4.44 (C) (73%*) 10 YARD: 1.55 (C) (61%*) VERTICAL: 37.5 (C) (75%*) BROAD: 127 (C) (85%*) |
Posts: 2,402
|
03-24-2024, 08:59 PM | #129 | |
MVP
Join Date: May 2001
Location: midtown KC
|
Quote:
It's one of those drafts where the meat of the draft fits our needs perfectly, and I can't see not taking advantage of that. But, as I've said, every time I try to guess what Veach is going to do, I'm wrong, lol, so we'll see. I didn't think he valued CB's-and he took Mcduffie. I didn't think he'd take a RB in the first, and he took Clyde. (oops). I thought he might re-sign Sneed, but let Jones walk. So anyone that feels like they've got the plan figured out in advance, I'd love to hear it and compare notes after. I'd just say that for me, If a Guyton or Morgan is there at #32, I'm taking them, and I'm taking the best WR on the board at #64 unless that's just terrible value, but I don't think that's going to be the case. I doubt ALL of the guys rated in there are going to be gone. and I'm probably not looking DT until possibly late. But I have no idea what Veach will do. But it'll probably work out better than my plan. |
|
Posts: 17,950
|
03-24-2024, 10:17 PM | #130 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2008
|
Agreed. Hard to guess what beach will do. I’d differ on the meat of the draft. Getting a LT around 20-25 seems like a great value for the talent that’s available and our need of a LT. If we have to wait until the third round or later for a WR, so be it. This seems like the right time to find a LTOTF.
Quote:
|
|
Posts: 2,402
|
03-25-2024, 02:26 AM | #131 | |
MVP
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Michigan
|
Quote:
Given that we play a 1-gap scheme, no I don't rule out too many prospects to play NT. We can also ask a guy like Ruke to put on 15 lbs. Even if it's bad weight, he's going to be a great athlete because he's already a phenomenal one at 295. I'm just keeping an open mind about this draft. I'm nervous about LT continuing to be an exercise in kicking the can down the road and I think this draft could present a unique opportunity to grab a guy later than normal. That pushes WR and DT down from where you'd like to see them. Not only that, there are a few CBs I really like in this draft too that just won't come into play because of those needs. As long as Veach stacks up some good football players, we'll be fine. I don't know that he needs to force any position, including WR. If he goes WR in 3 and 5, I'll get it. If he does it in 1, I'll get it. |
|
Posts: 12,744
|
1 0 |
03-26-2024, 06:10 PM | #132 |
MVP
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Michigan
|
This guy has become one of my draft crushes after watching him quite a bit. I think that brotherhood from Miss St aka DT-U with Chris Jones would be something valuable as well.
|
Posts: 12,744
|
1 0 |
03-26-2024, 06:17 PM | #133 |
MVP
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Helena, MT
|
|
Posts: 18,627
|
03-26-2024, 06:21 PM | #134 |
MVP
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Michigan
|
|
Posts: 12,744
|
1 0 |
03-27-2024, 05:14 PM | #135 |
In Search of a Life
Join Date: Oct 2007
|
|
Posts: 50,791
|
|
|