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Tesla unveil Semi, new Roadster, & also teased a "pickup truck"
Anyone watch the unveil last night?
The numbers on the semi destroyed what anyone thought possible. - 0-60 in 5 sec - 0-60 in 20 sec under max gross payload of 80k lbs - 65mph up 5% grade under max lied, compared to 45mph for ICE semi - 500 mile range - 400 miles of additional range after 30 min charge - Guaranteed 7¢/kWh fuel cost(solar) compared to volatile oil - Nuclear explosion proof glass(apparently cracked windshield takes semi off road) - 1 million mile guarantee it won't breakdown - Will never need a brake change - "Impossible" to jacknife - Beats semis on economics day 1 - In convoy mode, beats rail on economics 300 miles of range: $150,000 500 miles of range: $180,000 Founders series: $200,000 https://youtu.be/CBTQnmUolas The Roadster was a complete surprise, and the numbers given destroy any production car you can think of, even a Koenisegg. - 0-60 in 1.9 sec (this is faster than most Formula 1 cars) - 0-100 in 4.2 - 1/4 mile in 8.9 sec - 250+ mph top speed - 621 mile range (That's Kansas City to Denver without fueling) - 10,000 nm torque and that's the base model. Starting at $200k and Founders series at $250k. Destroys million dollar cars. Also teased a rendering image of a consumer pickup truck with a normal truck in the bed. https://youtu.be/5n9xafjynJA Last edited by aturnis; 11-23-2017 at 02:02 AM.. |
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11-25-2017, 05:57 PM | #121 | |
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11-25-2017, 06:11 PM | #122 |
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Much like the current cars, one of the fascinating parts of this will be all of the things they start adding that haven't been around before - even after purchase. I have to imagine assisted driving and backing will be coming, for example.
If too much acceleration becomes an issue, I bet a software option with company control would take care of it. |
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11-25-2017, 06:16 PM | #123 | |
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It does not have to be new to take "section 179" as long as its a HD truck and is used 50% for business. Bonus is only for new but you would have to be buying a small SUV to capture it. On a small truck/ suv the 179 is capped at 25K and bonus on a new vs used would be $10K Trucks over 6Klbs are 100% write off new or used.
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I’m not going to speak to notorious’ tax planning but you asked the difference between new and used and bonus depreciation is the difference. |
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11-25-2017, 07:14 PM | #125 |
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11-25-2017, 07:20 PM | #126 |
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11-25-2017, 07:32 PM | #127 |
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My pickup cost around 59k after sales tax. That saves me around 15k+in federal taxes in 2 years. It goes beyond just federal income tax too. Drops income lower so that health insurance is (was, now) cheaper, etc.
I get a brand new 59k truck for essentially 44k, trade in for $35-37k at a $6-8k total loss. That's pretty awesome for a truck with 65-70k miles when I'm done. I could have bought a Chevy Diesel 2500 with 170k miles for $20k, no warranty, pay for repairs, and been stuck with an unsellable truck after 2 years. I would have lost way more than 6-7k over 2 years with it. Also, I got to drive a new, badass vehicle for the 2 years instead of a 10 year old vehicle. That's why you see guys driving new pickups every year. |
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11-25-2017, 09:55 PM | #128 |
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yeah if it is a heavy work truck you get a 59K deduction dropping your earnings that much, It you are in a moderate tax bracket 28% + 15.3 you just saved $25K in fed and fica,(ss) payments.
If I buy a used truck w/ 6' bed that is 2 years old for $30K I get to write that much off also saving 29K and at 28% plus FICA or 13K totalizing 42K plus I get lower insurance, property taxes, and still get mileage or expense deduction. I like it, I didn't really run the numbers as to new vs used, but I think I see a 4 door truck with a 6 ft bed in my future. I always wanted a an El Camino SS |
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11-25-2017, 11:00 PM | #129 | |
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All the tax numbers are one thing but you still gotta write the check. Tax accountants give no ****s about cash flow. Many a mother****ers get strung on cash flow deficiencies. |
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11-25-2017, 11:45 PM | #130 | |
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Thanks for sending me that direction, |
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11-26-2017, 12:09 AM | #131 |
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You saved so much on your taxes last year by buying new gear, NOW PAY FOR THE ONE YEAR OLD GREEN PAINT!!!!
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11-26-2017, 03:29 AM | #132 |
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Naw. I'm just smart enough to ignore Wall Street. Those nerds missed on Amazon b/c they couldn't get out of their own way and realize the strength technology brings to the table.
Have you looked at the gains made in batteries and solar over the last 5, hell, even 2.5 years? Now realize that Tesla has the auto industry flailing to catch up after they all downsized to the point of having essentially zero electrical engineering in house, opting instead to focus on making engines with a fast approaching ceiling "better". Enter dieselgate. Facts are, the auto industry all buy from the same parts manufacturers and basically just assemble parts off the shelf. They own the engine, but that's about it. The investment to catch up is much larger than they assumed. Don't believe me, just ask Porsche CFO Lutz Meschke. https://www.teslarati.com/porsche-mi...le-investment/ To add to their ire, none of them know anything about software. Ford a bit with Sync and MAYBE GM has a partner with investment in Lyft, but both are essentially on the bench. That's why all auto systems UI suck so badly. It's developed by the parts supplier to "work". It's a bigger distraction on the road than Teslas giant screens. By a long shot. Musk has a giant advantage there in that he owns 2 of the most attractive companies in the world to software programmers and software engineers as well as engineers at large. https://www.recode.net/2017/10/26/16...s-tech-workers https://www.forbes.com/sites/kathryn...dents-in-2016/ These guys missed on Apple, Google, Amazon, Nvidia, Broadcom, IBM, Netflix, Adobe etc. Anything they haven't seen before, they believe is a fad, a bubble or they explain it away some other way. They're old, out of touch and don't care about the future they won't be around for. Short term investors scoffing at long term potential. It's criminal what they do to investors. So when it's cheaper to buy an EV than an ICE car, and cheaper to add solar to your house than to pay the electric bill every month, are you still going to throw good money after bad? Mind you the two together represent a $6,000+ annual savings plus energy independence for the average 2 adult household. Not to mention the equity the solar system adds to your property. Both of these things will happen, without subsidy by 2027 at the latest. Prices are falling FAST. Now that nearly half the world's populations representative governments have set dates for ICE car sales death, and forced the auto industry at large into the battery electric arena against their will, investment in battery research is skyrocketing. There's absolutely a Moore's law for everything. Now, with bigger investment in research, the investment/progress timeline for batteries is accelerating. Last edited by aturnis; 11-26-2017 at 03:35 AM.. |
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11-26-2017, 03:33 AM | #133 |
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Is getting spanked by Tesla. Panamera sales hurt badly by $la. Hence the reason they're going all electric.
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Besides that. Most BRAND NEW Deere shit would max out the 179 limits anyway. ****ing Deere. It’s going to be one hell of a long time before I can buy any factory Deere paint. Someone else has to knock the new off (and the good in most cases) before I’m going to have it. |
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