***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://twitter.com/scottgottliebmd/...686057985?s=21

Good info on where we go from here

For those clamoring for opening everything up now, this is a much more reasonable plan:

A state can safely proceed to Phase II when it has achieved all the following:

A sustained reduction in cases for at least 14 days;

Hospitals in the state are safely able to treat all patients requiring hospitalization without resorting to crisis standards of care;

The state is able to test all people with COVID-19 symptoms; and

The state is able to conduct active monitoring of confirmed cases and their contacts

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Does anyone really believe that China, a country damn near the same size as the US but with 1 billion more people crammed in it, has "beaten" covid-19? Their "recovered" patients test negative and then positive.

As a guy who sells stuff based off commodity markets - markets in which any news out of China moves the needle and they know it - I just assume that any report coming from the government is blatantly false. Because they usually are.

[Titty Meat]

600,000 masks delivered by China to the Netherlands do not work, offer no protection. Many already in use
https://t.co/xwoGkrXAST

[O.city]

Fauci said he sees deaths being between 100 and 200k

Millions infected

[O.city]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

For those clamoring for opening everything up now, this is a much more reasonable plan:

A state can safely proceed to Phase II when it has achieved all the following:

A sustained reduction in cases for at least 14 days;

Hospitals in the state are safely able to treat all patients requiring hospitalization without resorting to crisis standards of care;

The state is able to test all people with COVID-19 symptoms; and

The state is able to conduct active monitoring of confirmed cases and their contacts

Yeah I just don’t know that we’ll get there anytime soon. We still don’t have the tests

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by O.city

Fauci said he sees deaths being between 100 and 200k

Millions infected

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Fauci said he sees deaths being between 100 and 200k

Millions infected

I would assume that would be globally?

[Donger]

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. government’s foremost infection disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, says the U.S. will certainly have “millions of cases” of COVID-19 and more than 100,000 deaths.

As the U.S. tops the world in reported infections from the new coronavirus, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases predicts 100,000-200,000 deaths from the outbreak in the U.S.

The U.S. is currently reporting more than 124,000 cases and more than 2,100 deaths.

Fauci was speaking to CNN’s “State of the Union” as the federal government is discussing rolling back guidelines on social distancing in areas that have not been hard-hit by the outbreak.

Fauci says he would only support the rollback in lesser-impacted areas if there is enhanced availability of testing in place to monitor those areas. He acknowledged “it’s a little iffy there” right now.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm well-aware of the differences, but can you imagine seeing a map or chart showing 60 million infections and 10,000 deaths every year?

Yes I can.

I've said it before you don't want to panic over the CornonaVirus. Take every precaution you can, stay informed, practice social distance and stay productive at home. There's not much else you can do.

That said comparing it to the flu isn't the way to go right now.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

I guess you see it differently?

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

600,000 masks delivered by China to the Netherlands do not work, offer no protection. Many already in use
https://t.co/xwoGkrXAST

Nice of you to post a link that no one can read.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Yes I can.

I've said it before you don't want to panic over the CornonaVirus. Take every precaution you can, stay informed, practice social distance and stay productive at home. There's not much else you can do.

That said comparing it to the flu isn't the way to go right now.

I can't because we don't. I've been monitoring seasonal flu for over a decade here:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#whomap

Nothing like all the scary maps and such. Don't get me wrong; I'm not prone to panic. I just thought what would be the reaction if seasonal flu numbers were treated the same way.

And, again, I'm not comparing seasonal flu with COVID-19. I'm comparing the daily reporting of new case growth and deaths, and what would the reaction be.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I would assume that would be globally?

Nationally.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. government’s foremost infection disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, says the U.S. will certainly have “millions of cases” of COVID-19 and more than 100,000 deaths.

As the U.S. tops the world in reported infections from the new coronavirus, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases predicts 100,000-200,000 deaths from the outbreak in the U.S.

The U.S. is currently reporting more than 124,000 cases and more than 2,100 deaths.

Fauci was speaking to CNN’s “State of the Union” as the federal government is discussing rolling back guidelines on social distancing in areas that have not been hard-hit by the outbreak.

Fauci says he would only support the rollback in lesser-impacted areas if there is enhanced availability of testing in place to monitor those areas. He acknowledged “it’s a little iffy there” right now.

Fortunately we are no where near that right now.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Nationally.

Well, let's hope he is wrong