***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Titty Meat]

This isnt a big deal and the Niprah virus was much more deadly

[eDave]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

No, but the over reactions are.

The over reactions are real though.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by eDave

The over reactions are real though.

They may be real, but are they realistic?

[eDave]

Originally Posted by TLO

They may be real, but are they realistic?

I'm not them. Not a hoax though.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

No, but the over reactions are.

Hi. I’m Italian.
We used to think the same in Italy as well, that this was about “panic manipulation”, “just a flu”, “smoke screen”…
So people kept acting cool, hanging out, travel, using slogans like “let’s support our global economy” etc to cover our lack of sense of community.
Now we are all red area, all of us in quarantine, hospitals about to collapse, the amount of contaged people is doubling every 12 hours, and no more machines and doctors in hospitals for all of us.
Doctors are starting to use the doctors ethic law: first save the ones with more chances of survival, second save the youngest.
Screw the others.
We are way beyond containment.
In Italy, but in the rest of the world as well with 72 countries contaged.
Just be prepared to quarantine when it strikes your country as well, and good luck to all of us.
Read the numbers about Italy, on 9172 contaged people 463 are already dead, 724 healed, the others still fighting.
We ****ed up because we underestimated the virus, but we hope we can still serve as bad example and other countries can learn from our failure.

From the Pan-Am Traveler forum (where some posters are still calling it a hoax).

[Mecca]

So if everyone is in quarantine does that mean one pays bills and no one works and well life sucks and people get kicked out?

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Mecca

So if everyone is in quarantine does that mean one pays bills and no one works and well life sucks and people get kicked out?

No.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by TLO

So what did Italy do wrong?

For one, at least since just a few days ago, they are still allowing flights from the north to the south within their country. Not sure if that’s changed yet.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by eDave

No.

Who covers those families who expenses and who covers their employers expenses for lost productivity?

[ChiliConCarnage]

Originally Posted by srvy

Russia seems to be skating by not a care in the world and yet surrounded by it.

They've been pretty aggressive cracking down from the beginning. Thee other day they kicked out 100 ppl for falling to self quarantine and Moscow threatened 5 year prison terms for citizens failing to self quarantine after returning from trips to countries with large outbreaks.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Who covers those families who expenses and who covers their employers expenses for lost productivity?

Nobody.

[suzzer99]

In press: "Aerosol & surface stability of #SARSCoV2 compared to SARS-CoV-1" finds:
-viable virus in aerosols for up to 3 hrs
-up to 4 hrs on copper
-up to 24 hrs on cardboard
-up to 2-3 days on plastic & stainless steel
- 1/2 life = 13 hrs on steel, 16 hrs on polypropylene

— Laurie Garrett (@Laurie_Garrett) March 9, 2020

Assuming this is real this is scary as hell since pretty much everything we touch is made out of plastic or stainless steel. This is where temperatures could make a big difference. I read somewhere that some viruses degrade pretty quickly over 80 degrees.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by eDave

Nobody.

Wow, truly a compassionate person.

No plan what so ever to take care of quarantined people?

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Wow, truly a compassionate person.

No plan what so ever to take care of quarantined people?

There will be nobody to take care of them because everyone will be in quaranteen.

I suggest rewatching TWD for hints on how to survive the aftermath.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by eDave

There will be nobody to take care of them because everyone will be in quaranteen.

I suggest rewatching TWD for hints on how to survive the aftermath.

I survived Obama’s swine flu and his Zika outbreak. I’m sure I’ll survive this media driven political frenzy.