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Old 01-09-2018, 04:47 PM  
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Bieniemy named OC

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Old 01-09-2018, 06:46 PM   #106
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Well then tell me what you know about the guy, hotshot

Let me guess, you just knew he was going to be a ****ing stud, amirite?
Okay, you're gonna be a dick?

Sean McVay GREW UP around football his entire life. His grandfather was the GM of the San Francisco 49ers, who drafted and built their dynasty, which included 5 Super Bowl wins. He was exposed to Joe Montana, Steve Young, Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren, Jerry Rice and others at an early age.

His first coaching gig was at age 21 under John Gruden and he coached Wide Receivers, Tight Ends and QB's before becoming the Redskins offensive coordinator.

And yes, I had a feeling that he was a good hire, especially since he hired Wade Phillips to run his defense.
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:48 PM   #107
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It appears to be a lazy, tired hiring.

Since 1999, EB has coached running backs for all but two years, when he was the Offensive Coordinator at his alma mater, which went 4-21 and averaged 14 points per game, in the defensively weak Pac-12.

He's never been a QB, never coached a QB and while he's done very good work with NFL running backs, he's never designed an NFL offense, especially one as complex as Andy Reid's West Coast Offense.

The Chiefs will need to hire a very strong QB coach in order to prepare that room each week and the idea of Bieniemy overseeing Pat Mahomes development as a player is nothing short of frightening.

He may prove me wrong but I just don't like it, at all. Hiring a first time NFL Offensive Coordinator at the age of 48 just seems lazy.


Very good points - all of them.
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:49 PM   #108
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Mahomes had a **** ton of tutelage in his redshirt year, guys. He had Reid, Nagy, Kafka, and Childress. And as much as I hate that miserable prick, Alex Smith definitely mentored him along.

He doesn't need a ****ing village to survive being our starting QB. He has a QB coach (or he will, anyway... probably Kafka). His head coach is offensive-minded and has decades of experience working with QBs. That's plenty. It's more than a lot of young QBs get who end up having success in the NFL.

Mahomes had a lot of support that first year. That was the most important year to get that support. He's going to be ****ing fine.
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:51 PM   #109
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Worst case scenario is Reid personally takes control of Mahomes development, and thats going to be ok with me

As long as he gives something up to balance it out
Reid's issues are clock management and going into a conservative shell with his play calling.

By all accounts, Reid got almost all the credit for turning Favre into a hall of famer from the meh dude with a great arm that came out of college.

McNabb had all kinds of holes in his game. Everyone credits Reid with turning McNabb into a perennial Pro Bowler.

That's a good enough track record to trust Reid to bring Mahomes to his full potential.

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Old 01-09-2018, 06:51 PM   #110
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This hiring represents consistency and status quo. Because we haven't won anything, most people are naturally not going to be happy with it.

He's a middle-aged African American coach in the NFL who doesn't fit the profile of exciting.

Had we hired some up-and-comer that looks like Sean McVay or Matt Nagy or Kevin from This is Us, the reaction here would be different.

No one knows what he's capable of with this offense and it's pointless to get too high or low on the decision. Mahomes's abilities will ultimately be a far more important factor in our success next season.
That's reeruned plenty of people got hyped when that fat **** that looked like Jabba the Hutt Charlie Weis was hired.

Most people aren't excited for the most logical reason: It's our new QB's first year and we're worried a RB coach turned OC might affect his development negatively.
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:54 PM   #111
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Reid's issues are clock management and going into a conservative shell with his play calling.

By all accounts, Reid got almost all the credit for turning Favre into a hall of famer from the meh dude with a great arm that came out of college.

McNabb had all kinds of holes in his game. Everyone credits Reid with turning McNabb into a perennial Pro Bowler.

That's a good enough track record to trust Reid to bring Mahomes to his full potential.

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Good...Reid is now the qb coach
Who do we get for head coach
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:56 PM   #112
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Good...Reid is now the qb coach
Who do we get for head coach
he is also damn good at designing offenses that confuse and make defenses account for more things than most coaches.
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:01 PM   #113
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Hiring an OC from the outside would require some kind of assurance that the new guy would have the playcalling duties and Andy Reid isn't giving that up. Bieniemy is just another partial OC who gets to listen to Andy make the calls during the games. He is an OC trainee who can use this to get a real OC job somewhere else.

We will never have a real OC while Andy Reid is here.
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:04 PM   #114
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Hiring an OC from the outside would require some kind of assurance that the new guy would have the playcalling duties and Andy Reid isn't giving that up. Bieniemy is just another partial OC who gets to listen to Andy make the calls during the games. He is an OC trainee who can use this to get a real OC job somewhere else.

We will never have a real OC while Andy Reid is here.
Sadly, this is how I’m leaning on the whole deal.

Andy’s ego is bigger than his compression socks.
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:06 PM   #115
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Okay, you're gonna be a dick?

Sean McVay GREW UP around football his entire life. His grandfather was the GM of the San Francisco 49ers, who drafted and built their dynasty, which included 5 Super Bowl wins. He was exposed to Joe Montana, Steve Young, Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren, Jerry Rice and others at an early age.

His first coaching gig was at age 21 under John Gruden and he coached Wide Receivers, Tight Ends and QB's before becoming the Redskins offensive coordinator.

And yes, I had a feeling that he was a good hire, especially since he hired Wade Phillips to run his defense.
No, you're a ****ing dick with you're newly acquired 'passive' aggressive bullshit... 'dont you dare disagree with me The Great Dane!'

Get a grip on yourself

We were cool for a veeery long time, but you've been after me hard since the age of Trump, so bite me... I know what this all boils down to

Lets be clear... Sean McVay doesnt have a goddamn thing on Al Harris football-wise, I dont care if Sean suckled on Joe Montanas tit as a toddler

If Sean can be a head coach at such a young age, Al freaking Harris is likely capable of being a DC... and who knows if that even happens, and I never claimed it would, but you're clearly just being a dick for the sake of stroking your own ego
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:11 PM   #116
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I'm pretty sure that Bienemy was the kid standing behind young Andy in the Punt, Pass, and Kick contest.
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:15 PM   #117
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That's reeruned plenty of people got hyped when that fat **** that looked like Jabba the Hutt Charlie Weis was hired.

Most people aren't excited for the most logical reason: It's our new QB's first year and we're worried a RB coach turned OC might affect his development negatively.
Charlie Weis had been the OC with the gold standard team of the NFL only to be followed by a head coaching position at one of the top college programs. Plenty of reason why people would have been more hyped about him than a journeyman position coach in the NFL.

I'm just saying no one has any ****ing idea. These flashy young guys have no more success than others - you just tend to remember them more when they do (ohhhh, Sean McVay......). Survivorship bias at its best.

Bieniemy has consistently gotten a lot out of RBs. No one typically starts out as an OC. You gotta have success somewhere.
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:20 PM   #118
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Sadly, this is how I’m leaning on the whole deal.

Andy’s ego is bigger than his compression socks.
Bienemy has done a fine job with the running backs and I like him just fine but this is about Andy wanting to have fun playing with the offense. Reid will continue to avoid hiring a fulltime offensive coordinator so he doesn't have to relinquish control.

He won't hire a QB coach either

HC,OC and QB coach is too much for any single person and our team is suffering from it.
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:21 PM   #119
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I take a contrarian view on the Bieniemy hire and get ripped. Don’t you fools see what is happening here? More status quo, more subservience to Andy. Our best offensive mind and qb groomer left for Chicago. You think Bieniemy is going to get the best out of Mahomes? Kafka? Lol - he barely has a coaching pedigree yet. Bieniemy might be a good voice for the team, a great motivator and a coach who preaches accountability. I highly doubt he was promoted for innovation or play-calling acumen. Andy’s fetish for playcalling will continue to not be threatened.

What will be sold as a loyalty hire is actually a disguise for Andy in keeping things in check. For those saying “Well now Bieniemy can be the voice for bringing balance to the playcalling...” - Well where the **** was his voice Saturday?
Why not interview externally to pick the brains of the up and coming great offensive minds regarding Mahomes? The roster in general? Scheme?
WHY NOT SEND A MESSAGE TO YOUR FRANCHISE/CURRENT STAFF THAT STATUS QUO IS NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE AND ACCOUNTABILITY WILL BE DEMANDED?

Instead we get more of the same.

Don’t get me started on Sutton....
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:31 PM   #120
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Figured this was the way it would go.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Bienemy end up a head coach sooner than later
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