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CervezaChill · 01-24-2019, 09:08 AM

Hear me out. No doubt Tyreek has been great and has obvious chemistry with Mahomes. But do we really make him one of the highest paid WRs?

Here are my thoughts against this:

1) From having watched Mahomes through college, I have observed he really likes taller receivers who can go high to get the ball. Mahomes has of course had success with smaller slot receivers like Keke Coutee but a big bodied receiver can be just as deadly paired with Mahomes. Maybe draft a second receiving tight end?

2) We saw how easy it was to get Reek out of the game completely in the AFCCG. Paying reek would likely even mean there is no Watkins on the other side either.

3) Raw speed, in my humble opinion, is the fastest depreciating asset for any pro-athlete. Who is to say Tyreek from two years later will be faster than a fresh 21 year old coming out of college with a similar skill set?

4) The chemistry Tyreek and Patrick have was built in one off season. I am sure Mahomes can replicate that with mostly anyone. He got Albert Wilson paid last year.

Not saying Tyreek isn't great, he is a unicorn for sure but I am wary of the big money being discussed for his new deal.

T-post Tom · 01-24-2019, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by crispystl420

That's weird argument since Brady plays for well under the league average for a QB of his caliber.

He's on the "Elway Deferred Compensation Plan/NE-Kraft Edition"

TomBarndtsTwin · 01-24-2019, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CervezaChill

When you have a talent at QB like Mahomes, the priority changes to:

1) Defense (Mahomes doesn't play it)
2) Keeping Mahomes safe (Lineman)
3) Help Mahomes score points

I think you can make a pretty good argument, that paying Hill and having him line up for the Chiefs on the field helps preserve points 2 & 3.

TomBarndtsTwin · 01-24-2019, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom

He's on the "Elway Deferred Compensation Plan/NE-Kraft Edition"

When it's time to pay him, can we put Pat on the Elway deferred compensation plan???

I mean, if the worst that happens is you get fined a little and docked a draft pick, isn't that worth the trade off of a couple titles . . . . .

**Mr. Kotter** · 01-24-2019, 02:20 PM

Yep, as long as it's what the market demands. Yep.

Angry fan · 01-24-2019, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

When it's time to pay him, can we put Pat on the Elway deferred compensation plan???

I mean, if the worst that happens is you get fined a little and docked a draft pick, isn't that worth the trade off of a couple titles . . . . .

That depends on what type of business ventures Pat Mahomes will have that Clark Hunt can help.

Robert Kraft has his whole patriots place thing in new england and I wouldn't be surprised if Brady's TB12 facility lease is on the house.

Considering the Chiefs got docked a pick for tampering, it looks like they're not protected like the Steelers, Giants, and Jets are. So if you do that, I wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs lose a 1st or 2nd round pick for that.

Chargem · 01-24-2019, 03:16 PM

Speed guys maybe don't age that well, but you sure as hell give him a contract now - just maybe not a second one in 5 years.

jonzie04 · 01-24-2019, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The Patriots doubled him literally the entire game.

Bill just told you that you need to pay him.

This.

Angry fan · 01-24-2019, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargem

Speed guys maybe don't age that well, but you sure as hell give him a contract now - just maybe not a second one in 5 years.

My thoughts exactly. Maybe give him a 2 year extension during the 5 year contract. And then let him walk if he won't take a lesser contract.

Angry fan · 01-24-2019, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

We totally need to pay Pat. Hopefully he accepts 60% of his actual value like Brady did/does.

He's not going to do that lol.

Come on people, be realistic. Mahomes is going to be the highest paid player when he signs his contract.

CervezaChill · 01-24-2019, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

We totally need to pay Pat. Hopefully he accepts 60% of his actual value like Brady did/does.

The only way he may even entertain that is if they fix all issues on both sides of the ball and develop a winning culture here. Otherwise, why would he take a paycut when he is basically even now single-handedly carrying this team.

FAX · 01-24-2019, 04:20 PM

The Hunt family can tell him that he will own a majority interest in every profitable car dealership in 12 states if he cuts us a deal.

That's how Elway did it. That's how Brady did it. And it's worked out pretty well so far.

FAX

Chief Pagan · 01-24-2019, 05:18 PM

If Mahomes wants a max contract, you pay him. No choice there.

If Tyreek wants a max contract, I'm not sure you do. He has been durable so far. But one knee injury and it can become another Eric Berry situation. If you don't have an elite QB, paying Tyreek could absolutely be the correct move. To win a SB, you have to take chances somewhere.

But I'm not sure that signing Tyreek to a market value contract gives KC the best odds.

I think having a better OL and having 2 or 3 top WRs might maximize our Super Bowl chances more than putting so much of our cap space into a single WR. I would like to be in a situation where we could lose our top WR for the year, and still have a shot at the SB. With Mahomes and good WRs, I think you can still do that.

I know a great QB can make the OL look better, but I would still like a better OL to reduce the hits he takes.

suzzer99 · 01-24-2019, 05:20 PM

He's our second most valuable player and has skills that are impossible to replace. Yes, you sign Hill first then figure out the rest imo.

suzzer99 · 01-24-2019, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Drew Rosenhaus is his agent. In other words, we're signing him to a Tyreek Hill friendly deal, not a Chiefs friendly deal.

He didn't go out and get Rosenhaus to represent him in 2017 for no reason.

Then he can play for another season, probably get franchised after that, hope not to get injured, and try his luck on the free agent market.

Or he can take a lot of guaranteed money before the next time he walks onto a football field.

suzzer99 · 01-24-2019, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

We massively over paid Watkins but at least it will be over after 19. I hope Hill sees the big picture and is not abgreedy bastard like Berry and Houston. They gave two shits about having the team be good.

Watkins was a luxury with Hill, Hunt and Mahomes still on rookie deals. His game in the AFCCG shows how valuable he is - when not injured.

01-24-2019, 09:08 AM
CervezaChill Starter CervezaChill's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2018	Do we really break the bank for Tyreek? Hear me out. No doubt Tyreek has been great and has obvious chemistry with Mahomes. But do we really make him one of the highest paid WRs? Here are my thoughts against this: 1) From having watched Mahomes through college, I have observed he really likes taller receivers who can go high to get the ball. Mahomes has of course had success with smaller slot receivers like Keke Coutee but a big bodied receiver can be just as deadly paired with Mahomes. Maybe draft a second receiving tight end? 2) We saw how easy it was to get Reek out of the game completely in the AFCCG. Paying reek would likely even mean there is no Watkins on the other side either. 3) Raw speed, in my humble opinion, is the fastest depreciating asset for any pro-athlete. Who is to say Tyreek from two years later will be faster than a fresh 21 year old coming out of college with a similar skill set? 4) The chemistry Tyreek and Patrick have was built in one off season. I am sure Mahomes can replicate that with mostly anyone. He got Albert Wilson paid last year. Not saying Tyreek isn't great, he is a unicorn for sure but I am wary of the big money being discussed for his new deal.
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Chief Pagan Sometimes it's black and white Chief Pagan's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: California	If Mahomes wants a max contract, you pay him. No choice there. If Tyreek wants a max contract, I'm not sure you do. He has been durable so far. But one knee injury and it can become another Eric Berry situation. If you don't have an elite QB, paying Tyreek could absolutely be the correct move. To win a SB, you have to take chances somewhere. But I'm not sure that signing Tyreek to a market value contract gives KC the best odds. I think having a better OL and having 2 or 3 top WRs might maximize our Super Bowl chances more than putting so much of our cap space into a single WR. I would like to be in a situation where we could lose our top WR for the year, and still have a shot at the SB. With Mahomes and good WRs, I think you can still do that. I know a great QB can make the OL look better, but I would still like a better OL to reduce the hits he takes.
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