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synthesis2 · 03-04-2022, 08:15 AM

Since I was banned from the Gas thread for simply saying I was glad I have a EV car now I thought I'd answer the question that was posed to me by another before I was banned.(still have zero idea why.

We have a Model 3 long range, it gets around 340 miles per charge and our all in was 50k for the car, $500 for the Wall Charger (you don't need but its cool looking)

Our previous car was a Porsche Cayenne, here is what we spent in the year we owned it. My wife is a rep and uses as her company car. ( she gets paid mileage) so we paid 40k for it. Was a year old when we got it. She drove it 50K in a year, we had to use premium unleaded gas and it got around 18 miles per gallon. We had to get it serviced 3 times with a average cost of $500-700 on each service. I don't know how much we paid in gas but lets assume we still had it today and Premium was going for 4.50 a gallon, it would be around 12-14k on gas a year, along with $1500-2000 in services so our all in each year was 13.5-16k per year in service and gas.

With our Tesla our electricity has seemed to go up $40-50 per month, so lets call it $600 plus tires rotated $100, windshield wiper fluid $5 so for the year its around $800 vs. 13.5-16k.

So the 10k cost difference was made up in less than a year and now we are saving 12k plus per year compared. Plus she loves the car much more than the Porsche.

I know compared with a ford focus the math may not ever make sense but for a nicer car its been awesome for us.

**HemiEd** · 12-01-2023, 07:58 AM

Detroit's Electric Road

The city of Detroit opened the country's first road capable of wirelessly charging

electric vehicles as they drive this week, a key step toward wider adoption of the technology. The quarter-mile demonstration project is meant to show the feasibility of wireless charging as a supplement to an eventual nationwide charging network for electric vehicles.

The technology relies on magnetic resonance induction, similar to wireless charging for cellphones and other devices (and discovered by Nikola Tesla). Effectively, large copper coils placed under the road create a magnetic field, which induces an electric current in a receiver in the car as it drives through, thereby charging the battery (watch 101). The process is not harmful to humans.

In the demonstration, the charging rate reportedly reached as high as 19 kW, a small percentage of the stored energy needed to power an average electric vehicle during regular use.

Analysts say the enhanced roads may help address "range anxiety"—a concern of potential consumers worried electric vehicles can only travel limited distances.

**notorious** · 12-01-2023, 08:34 AM

How much will that cost to construct?

BEAVER · 12-01-2023, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

How much will that cost to construct?

Doesn't really matter - paid for by tax dollars I'm sure - so it is free!!

Wooohoooo - Free Stuff!

**HemiEd** · 12-01-2023, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

How much will that cost to construct?

I can't even imagine.

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Originally Posted by BEAVER

Doesn't really matter - paid for by tax dollars I'm sure - so it is free!!

Wooohoooo - Free Stuff!

Yep, for sure. And how are they going to tax these EVs since they don't pay the fuel tax?

Skyy God · 12-01-2023, 01:04 PM

Heard the new Elon Musk fail-mobile described as an Incel El Camino.

I giggled.

**HemiEd** · 12-01-2023, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyy God

Heard the new Elon Musk fail-mobile described as an Incel El Camino.

I giggled.

**DaFace** · 12-01-2023, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I can't even imagine.

Yep, for sure. And how are they going to tax these EVs since they don't pay the fuel tax?

Many states charge extra on your property taxes. I pay an extra $50/year.

**DaFace** · 12-01-2023, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BEAVER

Doesn't really matter - paid for by tax dollars I'm sure - so it is free!!

Wooohoooo - Free Stuff!

I bet you're the type who would have bitched about the government paying to build the interstate system.

ghak99 · 12-01-2023, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

Many states charge extra on your property taxes. I pay an extra $50/year.

Is that $50 based on mileage driven?

Any idea how that $50 would compare to the tax on the fuel you would have otherwise been using annually?

**DaFace** · 12-01-2023, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ghak99

Is that $50 based on mileage driven?

Any idea how that $50 would compare to the tax on the fuel you would have otherwise been using annually?

Nah, it's a flat rate. Looks like it's $0.22 per gallon in Colorado, so if you assume 22mpg (to make the math easy), that'd work out to ~5k miles per year. If you assume 33mpg (which is closer to what I'd expect on comparable ICE cars), it'd be more like ~7500 miles per year.

There's always weird nuance, though. I have to pay the $50 on my PHEV as well, and any time I leave the city I'm still using gas. So I'm pretty sure I come out behind on that one, though I probably come out a little ahead on my EV.

seamonster · 12-01-2023, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

I bet you're the type who would have bitched about the government paying to build the interstate system.

California spent billion(s) of dollars to build a tiny railroad. Good luck.

**DaFace** · 12-01-2023, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by seamonster

California spent billion(s) of dollars to build a tiny railroad. Good luck.

This cost about 0.2% of that amount, so I'm not sure how that's relevant.

Pinchshot · 12-01-2023, 01:56 PM

Charging a Tesla for one day takes same amount of energy as 13 homes.

EV is a scam.

Sassy Squatch · 12-01-2023, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinchshot

Charging a Tesla for one day takes same amount of energy as 13 homes.

EV is a scam.

From what I've seen most automakers are pulling back quite a bit on investing in them. For now, at least.

**DaFace** · 12-01-2023, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinchshot

Charging a Tesla for one day takes same amount of energy as 13 homes.

EV is a scam.

Wait till you see how much gas it would take to power 13 homes for a day.

03-04-2022, 08:15 AM
synthesis2 synthesis2 synthesis2's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2005	EV Cars/Trucks Since I was banned from the Gas thread for simply saying I was glad I have a EV car now I thought I'd answer the question that was posed to me by another before I was banned.(still have zero idea why. We have a Model 3 long range, it gets around 340 miles per charge and our all in was 50k for the car, $500 for the Wall Charger (you don't need but its cool looking) Our previous car was a Porsche Cayenne, here is what we spent in the year we owned it. My wife is a rep and uses as her company car. ( she gets paid mileage) so we paid 40k for it. Was a year old when we got it. She drove it 50K in a year, we had to use premium unleaded gas and it got around 18 miles per gallon. We had to get it serviced 3 times with a average cost of $500-700 on each service. I don't know how much we paid in gas but lets assume we still had it today and Premium was going for 4.50 a gallon, it would be around 12-14k on gas a year, along with $1500-2000 in services so our all in each year was 13.5-16k per year in service and gas. With our Tesla our electricity has seemed to go up $40-50 per month, so lets call it $600 plus tires rotated $100, windshield wiper fluid $5 so for the year its around $800 vs. 13.5-16k. So the 10k cost difference was made up in less than a year and now we are saving 12k plus per year compared. Plus she loves the car much more than the Porsche. I know compared with a ford focus the math may not ever make sense but for a nicer car its been awesome for us.
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HemiEd Supporter HemiEd's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks	Range Anxiety Detroit's Electric Road The city of Detroit opened the country's first road capable of wirelessly charging electric vehicles as they drive this week, a key step toward wider adoption of the technology. The quarter-mile demonstration project is meant to show the feasibility of wireless charging as a supplement to an eventual nationwide charging network for electric vehicles. The technology relies on magnetic resonance induction, similar to wireless charging for cellphones and other devices (and discovered by Nikola Tesla). Effectively, large copper coils placed under the road create a magnetic field, which induces an electric current in a receiver in the car as it drives through, thereby charging the battery (watch 101). The process is not harmful to humans. In the demonstration, the charging rate reportedly reached as high as 19 kW, a small percentage of the stored energy needed to power an average electric vehicle during regular use. Analysts say the enhanced roads may help address "range anxiety"—a concern of potential consumers worried electric vehicles can only travel limited distances.
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