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Old 08-27-2023, 06:40 PM  
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Post cuts for all other teams. Should be some interesting ones.
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Old 08-28-2023, 02:06 PM   #106
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What does Williams do better than Pat? That's what I'm trying to understand.
Nothing.

But any team in football would give up 5 years worth of 1sts for a guy who proves to be Patrick Mahomes. That's the point.

What Williams presents is someone who does a lot of the same things as Mahomes. Appears very savvy, very fluid in his mechanics, mobile, strong-armed.

When people see Williams they see the next closest thing to Mahomes that has come through the draft in awhile. Teams aren't tanking for Williams because he's a better prospect than Mahomes - they're tanking for Williams because they live in a Post-Mahomes world.

And again - they're not really tanking much anyway. The Cardinals suck.
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Old 08-28-2023, 02:07 PM   #107
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I wasn't aware of how old Williams was for his class, but he's still a legitimate stud talent.

The real thing that might decide who is better between him and Drake Maye (who is also an incredibly well-regarded QB prospect who would have gone #1 unless something weird came up in the draft run-up) is where they land.

When you look at what the Commanders, Falcons, and Cardinals have on offense, it sounds crazy, but Washington might actually be set up well for a young QB to succeed quickly.

Terry McLaurin is a legit WR1. Jahan Dotson is a really nice, rising WR2. Both are better than any WR on the Cardinals offense.

The Falcons have Robinson and London and Pitts (if he can be salvaged), which isn't as good as the Commanders to me, but still better than the Cardinals.
Agreed with the Commanders being a good spot, but I definitely disagree about it being better than the Falcons. I'll take the Falcons weapons.
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Old 08-28-2023, 02:08 PM   #108
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Nothing.

But any team in football would give up 5 years worth of 1sts for a guy who proves to be Patrick Mahomes. That's the point.

What Williams presents is someone who does a lot of the same things as Mahomes. Appears very savvy, very fluid in his mechanics, mobile, strong-armed.

When people see Williams they see the next closest thing to Mahomes that has come through the draft in awhile. Teams aren't tanking for Williams because he's a better prospect than Mahomes - they're tanking for Williams because they live in a Post-Mahomes world.

And again - they're not really tanking much anyway. The Cardinals suck.
That makes sense. It just seems odd that Pat's skill-set wasn't valued more in 2017.
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Old 08-28-2023, 02:08 PM   #109
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I wasn't aware of how old Williams was for his class, but he's still a legitimate stud talent.

The real thing that might decide who is better between him and Drake Maye (who is also an incredibly well-regarded QB prospect who would have gone #1 unless something weird came up in the draft run-up) is where they land.

When you look at what the Commanders, Falcons, and Cardinals have on offense, it sounds crazy, but Washington might actually be set up well for a young QB to succeed quickly.

Terry McLaurin is a legit WR1. Jahan Dotson is a really nice, rising WR2. Both are better than any WR on the Cardinals offense.

The Falcons have Robinson and London and Pitts (if he can be salvaged), which isn't as good as the Commanders to me, but still better than the Cardinals.
Man - I just don't see the Falcons in that group.

They're more likely to win the South than end up with the worst record in the NFL.

I'm really curios to see what Ridder can do. He's smarth, he's athletic. He has NFL arm strength if not exactly elite. Can get a little wonky with his accuracy at times so he's not a superstar, but I think he can be a credible NFL starter.

With those weapons around him, why can't that team win 8-10 games?

I just don't see them in the same tier as the true dregs of the NFL at all.
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Old 08-28-2023, 02:10 PM   #110
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That makes sense. It just seems odd that Pat's skill-set wasn't valued more in 2017.
Things change....some guys literally were born at the wrong time so they got hosed.

Blaine Gabbert would have probably been an entrenched long term NFL starter had he been born 25 years earlier.
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Old 08-28-2023, 02:10 PM   #111
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Man - I just don't see the Falcons in that group.

They're more likely to win the South than end up with the worst record in the NFL.

I'm really curios to see what Ridder can do. He's smarth, he's athletic. He has NFL arm strength if not exactly elite. Can get a little wonky with his accuracy at times so he's not a superstar, but I think he can be a credible NFL starter.

With those weapons around him, why can't that team win 8-10 games?

I just don't see them in the same tier as the true dregs of the NFL at all.
If Ridder is even slightly below average, they probably aren't.
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Old 08-28-2023, 02:12 PM   #112
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The Vikings made an initial wave of roster cuts on Monday morning ahead of Tuesday's deadline for all teams to set initial 53-man rosters.

The team parted ways with 15 players, including quarterback Jordan Ta'amu, who was signed last week as an emergency option with both Kirk Cousins and Nick Mullens sitting out the preseason finale against the Cardinals. The Vikings also waived nose tackle Calvin Avery; cornerbacks Jameson Houston, C.J. Coldon Jr. and Kalon Barnes; receiver Garett Maag; linebacker Wilson Huber; running back Abram Smith; tight end Colin Thompson; offensive tackles Christian DiLauro and Jarrid Williams; and center Josh Sokol.

Cornerback Tay Gowan, who was held out of Saturday's game against Arizona, was waived with an injury designation. Two veteran players with at least four accrued NFL seasons — safety Jake Gervase and linebacker Tanner Vallejo — were released and do not have to be exposed to waivers.

An additional 22 moves must be made before 3 p.m. on Tuesday. The Vikings began Sunday night by agreeing to trade second-year offensive tackle Vederian Lowe to the Patriots for a 2024 sixth-round draft pick.
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Old 08-28-2023, 02:16 PM   #113
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Old 08-28-2023, 02:22 PM   #114
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Man - I just don't see the Falcons in that group.

They're more likely to win the South than end up with the worst record in the NFL.

I'm really curios to see what Ridder can do. He's smarth, he's athletic. He has NFL arm strength if not exactly elite. Can get a little wonky with his accuracy at times so he's not a superstar, but I think he can be a credible NFL starter.

With those weapons around him, why can't that team win 8-10 games?

I just don't see them in the same tier as the true dregs of the NFL at all.
Yeah, I agree with that. The division helps. Ridder is like a younger, unspoiled-by-failure version of Tannehill for me. Arthur Smith has done things with that level QB before.
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Old 08-28-2023, 03:09 PM   #115
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And they'd still have Hollywood Brown who would be a really good WR2 if he could finally get some good QB play (poor guy). He'd compliment Harrison Jr. perfectly.
stop calling him Hollywood. At best, he's reseda.
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So I'm a little curious - and I haven't looked into this at all - a LOT of the hype around him comes from him being precocious, right; excellent beyond his years after excelling at OU and USC as a true freshman then sophomore respectively.

So...why did he play his true freshman season at 20 years old? He's going to turn 22 this November so it's not like he's going to come out super young. He'll actually enter the draft a full year older than Mahomes was when he entered.

Can some of the hype be a little unfounded? I mean if you're talking about a 20 yr old freshman, that's a fair sight different than one that's 18 or 19, no?

I dunno - just something I noticed.
Here's a hot take for you.

I'm out on Caleb Williams. I saw some interview with him, halftime or something, and someone asked him something about Mahomes, and he said (I think this is verbatum) "there really isn't anything he can do that I can't, so yeah."



A spoonful of humility does a career good, bud.

Then I watched the second half and he sure he threw some good balls off platform, he threw some good balls. He also threw some balls away pretty early. He also eliminated half the field really early in a lot of snaps.

We'll see, and I'm the only guy on the ****ing planet out on the dude - and I'm certainly open to being wrong. Stay with me here, in my mind what makes Mahomes the best is the grind. He is supremely talented, sure, but there have been talented dudes that could do some amazing shit. But transferring those skills to production is where Mahomes shines.

My opinion is that teams now need to watch out for dudes trying to do Mahomes stuff, rather that being able to do Mahomes stuff and playing football.



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I haven't followed him at all, but I always thought Keke Coutee had juice enough to stick coming out of Tech. He was always the go to option in college, and I thought he was pretty solid. Eating the L on that one.

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stop calling him Hollywood. At best, he's reseda.
I laughed unreasonably hard at that.
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Can someone please explain the hate for this post?
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Because people get their hopes up at the beginning and then they read the end of the sentence.

It's not nuthooks level, but people don't like having their hopes shit on like that.
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Because people get their hopes up at the beginning and then they read the end of the sentence.

It's not nuthooks level, but people don't like having their hopes shit on like that.
Agreed. I read it again just now and thought we somehow got a 7th or something.
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