***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by eDave

I'm most likely wrong on no reports. They are probably rolled up under Maricopa county or something. Maricopa is a city outside of Phoenix as well. That number looks way high. And there were reports of our first case was an ASU student. Bad data gathering.

Not many tests here. People told to stay home and quarantine with symptoms, and they aren’t always tested.

300+ cases in Phoenix and metro area. 5 deaths currently.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

I have family in Italy and it is very different from the US. The observations about the country being older is true, and the area hardest hit also is a destination for foreigners who have homes there.

The biggest problem they have is when they shut down the country the population didn’t really go along with it. That created a much bigger rate of spread that overwhelmed their health care systems in the north and doubled the normal death rate.

That can happen here. But the numbers are encouraging that we may avoid the same kind of hole that Italy put themselves in. We’ll know more in a week or so.

I'm telling you now the numbers already show we are not going to be Italy. Plus we have resources that Italy does not have. We are not going to be Italy, thankfully.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

World wide the % of critical cases is still at 4%. 96% are mild. That's an important stat to be mindful of.

Of the ones we know of

Did you read the oxford study today?

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by Dayze

Is this some radical new therapy?

Oh Dr. Marvin’s a genius, your death therapy cured me, you genius.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Not many tests here. People told to stay home and quarantine with symptoms, and they aren’t always tested.

300+ cases in Phoenix and metro area. 5 deaths currently.

Do you know what our hospital capacities are? We has A LOT of hospitals. So many hospitals. Can't throw a stick at the club without hitting a wasted, foul mouthed nurse.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by eDave

I'm most likely wrong on no reports. They are probably rolled up under Maricopa county or something. Maricopa is a city outside of Phoenix as well. That number looks way high. And there were reports of our first case was an ASU student. Bad data gathering.

Yeah, after a slow start, AZ is playing catch up. We’re at 404 total cases(251 in Maricopa County)and 6 deaths.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Not many tests here. People told to stay home and quarantine with symptoms, and they aren’t always tested.

300+ cases in Phoenix and metro area. 5 deaths currently.

I am starting to question the reliability of the testing numbers anyway. First we were told you were only being tested if you had symptoms. Now some are saying they aren't even testing you and just assuming you have it.

Then we have people that have it and either don't show symptoms or are mild and don't go ever get tested.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I'm telling you now the numbers already show we are not going to be Italy. Plus we have resources that Italy does not have. We are not going to be Italy, thankfully.

Thats not what the government experts are predicting.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by eDave

Do you know what our hospital capacities are? We has A LOT of hospitals. So many hospitals. Can't throw a stick at the club without hitting a wasted, foul mouthed nurse.

16,000 beds. 1,500 ICU beds.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

I have family in Italy and it is very different from the US. The observations about the country being older is true, and the area hardest hit also is a destination for foreigners who have homes there.

The biggest problem they have is when they shut down the country the population didn’t really go along with it. That created a much bigger rate of spread that overwhelmed their health care systems in the north and doubled the normal death rate.

That can happen here. But the numbers are encouraging that we may avoid the same kind of hole that Italy put themselves in. We’ll know more in a week or so.

100 Americans die in 6 hours. How’s that encouraging math?

US coronavirus deaths via @CNN:

100 deaths: March 17, 4 pm
200 deaths: March 20, 12 pm
300 deaths: Saturday, 8 pm
400 deaths: Sunday, 6 pm
500 deaths: Monday, 3 pm
600 deaths: Yesterday, 12 pm
700 deaths: Yesterday, 8 pm
800 deaths: Today, 12 pm
900 deaths: Today, 6 pm

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) March 26, 2020

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Of the ones we know of

Did you read the oxford study today?

No but this is starting to become like politics, you can find a study or a test or a doctor to fit whatever narrative you want.

Case in point, we have a doctor that says he cured 350 people with HCQ and now we have 2 governors who have banned its use for whatever reasons they have.

[carlos3652]

the US has matched Italy in deaths per day today vs what Italy was showing 2 weeks ago as their per day deaths. When we had less than 30 deaths here in total in the US and most of them were from the nursing home in WA.

So when people stated that the US would be in Italy’s shoes 2 weeks ago... if we are comparing deaths per day, they were spot on.

The data backs it up.

[BigRedChief]

Reported US cases

3/1: 89
3/2: 105
3/3: 125
3/4: 159
3/5: 227
3/6: 331
3/7: 444
3/8: 564
3/9: 728
3/10: 1000
3/11: 1267
3/12: 1645
3/13: 2204
3/14: 2826
3/15: 3505
3/16: 4466
3/17: 6135
3/18: 8760
3/19: 13229
3/20: 18763
3/21: 25740
3/22: 34276
3/23: 42663
3/24: 52976
Now: 65273

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) March 26, 2020

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

100 Americans die in 6 hours. How’s that encouraging math?

US coronavirus deaths via @CNN:

100 deaths: March 17, 4 pm
200 deaths: March 20, 12 pm
300 deaths: Saturday, 8 pm
400 deaths: Sunday, 6 pm
500 deaths: Monday, 3 pm
600 deaths: Yesterday, 12 pm
700 deaths: Yesterday, 8 pm
800 deaths: Today, 12 pm
900 deaths: Today, 6 pm

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) March 26, 2020

Dude, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but 100 Americans die in 6 hours for lots of things every day.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's a false myth spread on the internet, which apparently came from France during the early days of the virus.

Motrin/Ibuprofen is completely safe to take if you have or think you have the virus.

Here's a link:

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-rec...id-19-symptoms

Gotcha. Good information.