***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Los Angeles has stopped testing altogether so it's extremely unlikely we'll ever know how many are and were infected, unless those people are admitted to ER's and given treatment.

It's like chasing a rainbow.

Wait, what? Why have they stopped?

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I get the impression that you're an anxious person who legitimately is concerned about these things, but I just find this kind of information to be useless. Is it sad? Of course. But otherwise healthy people die of random shit every day.

We know that, while rare, COVID-19 kills a handful of people in every age range and health condition. Getting unnecessarily worked up about fringe cases just doesn't add to rational discussion.

fair enough I saw it and felt stressed about it I'll stop posting personal death stories in here.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

I have OH on ignore.
what what the aprox date he moved here from the DC forum?

Ditto. I appreciate people that aren't quoting him.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Los Angeles has stopped testing altogether so it's extremely unlikely we'll ever know how many are and were infected, unless those people are admitted to ER's and given treatment.

It's like chasing a rainbow.

This.

Honestly the mortality at the end of this could be less than the flu. All that matters is the short-term compression of cases so we don’t run out of ventilators.

[ChiefZilla]

Thoughts on me having to do my federal jury duty in Topeka in mid April?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Donger

Wait, what? Why have they stopped?

The ER's have been overloaded with people showing symptoms of the virus so instead of testing them and waiting for the results, the decision has been made to begin immediate treatment.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Wait, what? Why have they stopped?

My understanding is that they are starting presume positive. Admitting only those in serious condition.

Considering the testing Numbers it makes sense. We have tested 418k and only 63k have come back positive. Those test would be better used on Medical personnel and first responders etc...

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Los Angeles has stopped testing altogether so it's extremely unlikely we'll ever know how many are and were infected, unless those people are admitted to ER's and given treatment.

It's like chasing a rainbow.

You can test people for antibodies for years, so while we may not know the test result for a single person, this will be studied in detail, and we'll have a pretty good feel for how many people were infected (symptomatic or not) through random sampling down the road.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

People still trying to sell Chloroquine ?

Malaria Drug Chloroquine No Better Than Regular Coronavirus Care, Study Finds

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-care-in-study

Did you even read it? It only had 30 patients and its not like it was ineffective,it's just that patients in both groups recovered. More will be required to see if it was a fluke.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The ER's have been overloaded with people showing symptoms of the virus so instead of testing them and waiting for the results, the decision has been made to begin immediate treatment.

Shit.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

They are attention whores......... But they sure as shit are not millennials .... Oh god I sound like a boomer now

Isn't this fun!

[wazu]

At this point the most reliable indicator/statistic to track is probably daily deaths.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The ER's have been overloaded with people showing symptoms of the virus so instead of testing them and waiting for the results, the decision has been made to begin immediate treatment.

which is the right thing to do I think, specifically with the knowledge that hydroxychloroquine is now being used as a possible treatment. Those who have mild symptoms should get the medicine and sent home.

Hopefully we would test AFTER their prescriptions are complete to see test if it is a effective treatment.

[srvy]

OMG omg omg where is my Doc Fauci?


I want my

I want my

I want my Doc Fauci

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by wazu

At this point the most reliable indicator/statistic to track is probably daily deaths.

Yep. It's a lagging indicator, but it's probably about the most reliable (until the possibility of hospital overloads causing the rate to spike).