****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread****

[Sofa King]

They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by RunKC

What's crazy to me is people blaming the offensive coaching staff. Andy and Nagy working together have put these guys in position so many times. They are getting these guys open all the time.

I can't count how many times I've seen Toney and MVS open only for them to **** it up and not catch the ball. At least Justin Watson has caught some of those deep passes.

They clearly don't have a coaching problem. They have a personnel problem. Just baffling that a rookie from smaller school not in the power 5 comes in here and does what he does while the vets suck.

People say Nagy sucks because he ****ing sucks. He learned absolutely nothing from his failures in Chicago and his fingerprints have permeated the offense as it struggles. Same ****ing dude that ran an identical scheme for Andy Dalton, Nick Foles, and Justin Fields. No regard for the talent or lack thereof on the field, he just stubbornly runs his offense and if it works, great, if it doesn't, youre ****ed. Hell, it took them until week ****ing 17 to finally adjust the WR rotation and narrow the playbook a bit to help mask deficiencies in the WR room. You can have BOTH a personnel problem AND a coaching problem, and we clearly have had both.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

They should sit MVS and every one of his snaps taken by Hardman.

Why cant they just have Hardman run a deep post or a go route on every play? He will be wide open on at least 2-3 per game. Scoring a couple of more touchdowns per game would be nice.

Hardman's performance yesterday over the middle shows he's a much better player than a guy who just runs go routes.

[Sassy Squatch]

Perfect comp for Nagy: Bob Sutton. When they had all the pieces they needed to run their schemes you get good results. Where they both struggle mightily is when they have to adjust for lack of talent. Then the whole thing blows up. That's a massive problem in the NFL because you're by design of the CBA almost never going to have a full deck of cards to work with.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

Hardman's performance yesterday over the middle shows he's a much better player than a guy who just runs go routes.

If used correctly, he's can be very effective. However, he still is very bad at tracking the deep ones. But with his speed, he can HOUSE a quick or intermediate route.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

People say Nagy sucks because he ****ing sucks. He learned absolutely nothing from his failures in Chicago and his fingerprints have permeated the offense as it struggles. Same ****ing dude that ran an identical scheme for Andy Dalton, Nick Foles, and Justin Fields. No regard for the talent or lack thereof on the field, he just stubbornly runs his offense and if it works, great, if it doesn't, youre ****ed. Hell, it took them until week ****ing 17 to finally adjust the WR rotation and narrow the playbook a bit to help mask deficiencies in the WR room. You can have BOTH a personnel problem AND a coaching problem, and we clearly have had both.

Man, this is solid. You're right, they don't have to be mutually exclusive. And they're clearly not.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

People say Nagy sucks because he ****ing sucks. He learned absolutely nothing from his failures in Chicago and his fingerprints have permeated the offense as it struggles. Same ****ing dude that ran an identical scheme for Andy Dalton, Nick Foles, and Justin Fields. No regard for the talent or lack thereof on the field, he just stubbornly runs his offense and if it works, great, if it doesn't, youre ****ed. Hell, it took them until week ****ing 17 to finally adjust the WR rotation and narrow the playbook a bit to help mask deficiencies in the WR room. You can have BOTH a personnel problem AND a coaching problem, and we clearly have had both.

Sounds just like Andy Reid to me. See the TB SB when he constantly left his struggling tackles on islands most of the time getting Mahomes killed. (Nagy was in Chicago that year).

We've seen enough of the WR's being schemed open and dropping passes again and again and again to know that this is a personnel problem. Toney and MVS simply make catches like an average WR would and this team has 3 less losses.

It's pretty clear that you guys don't watch other teams. If you think Nagy is Mr Horizontal play caller then you should really watch EB's Commanders game from yesterday bc holy shit are most of his play calls short pass around the LOS

[Sassy Squatch]

Mahomes has averaged 3.5 air yards per attempt this season. That is INCREDIBLY low. The only QBs that are lower than him that were starters are Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, and Mac Jones.

[Sassy Squatch]

And yeah, Joe Burrow was playing with a bum calf behind an awful offensive line so that actually makes sense. In terms of pass block win rate Taylor and Smith are the best duo in the league outside of Decker and Sewell in Detroit, also while getting amongst the least chip help, so don't try that excuse either.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by TEX

Man, this is solid. You're right, they don't have to be mutually exclusive. And they're clearly not.

Same exact offense as 2022. The route concepts are the same and the players are mostly the same minus the key differentiators.

The difference is Juju was a vet that was actually decent at his job and Toney/MVS didn't have AID's last year.

They also lost their best players from last year. Juju, Kelce and McKinnon accounted for just under 2,800 of Mahomes yards and 24 of his TD's. All of that from 3 players. They also lost Hardman who was 3rd in receiving TD's (4).

Juju is gone, McKinnon has been hurt all year (and he's washed) and Kelce has been hurt all year as well as declining.

The rea culprits here are Andy and Veach for thinking this group of WR's would be as good. Putting faith in Toney and Skyy was a major mistake.

Get real WR's and a McKinnon replacement in here and this offense goes back to looking like 2022 again.

[-King-]

I agree that Hardman should take all of MVSs snaps but we should not try to re-sign him in doff season. We should transition away from bedtime a specific gadget guy in our WR rotation. Having guys like him just encourages Reid to build packages around players and I'm kind of over that now. Especially when Mahomes doesn't have chemistry with the player otherwise.

But yeah it literally can't get worse than MVS and Mecole can do everything MVS can do and a lot that he can't do so I don't get why he wouldn't get those snaps in the playoffs.

[Sassy Squatch]

Are you still ****ing that McKinnon chicken when any swinging dick scrub RB will work? FFS, CEH has been more than serviceable in that role if he actually got the reps. Hell, Damien Williams had 14 TDs in 6 games during his playoff runs. The actual culprit there is Nagy not incorporating RBs as well as Bieniemy.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Same exact offense as 2022. The route concepts are the same and the players are mostly the same minus the key differentiators.

The difference is Juju was a vet that was actually decent at his job and Toney/MVS didn't have AID's last year.

They also lost their best players from last year. Juju, Kelce and McKinnon accounted for just under 2,800 of Mahomes yards and 24 of his TD's. All of that from 3 players. They also lost Hardman who was 3rd in receiving TD's (4).

Juju is gone, McKinnon has been hurt all year (and he's washed) and Kelce has been hurt all year as well as declining.

The rea culprits here are Andy and Veach for thinking this group of WR's would be as good. Putting faith in Toney and Skyy was a major mistake.

Get real WR's and a McKinnon replacement in here and this offense goes back to looking like 2022 again.

Might be the same, but the tendencies and the way they attack and the play calling is different. Slants? Most everything is short and hope for YAC. More trick plays, and not plays respectful of down and distance. So in that regards it's completely different. Remember the trick play we ran against the Raiders from our own nine yard line?? That's definitely a Nagy influence.

You just have a thing for Nagy and you won't see this objectively. And I don't understand why you cant see that he's part of the problem, or why you think he's good?

[O.city]

McKinnon caught the ball really well last year. We don't have a guy that can do that.

Paired with Kelce being elite still and Pat playing GOAT like, it was just a perfect storm.

Kinda led to them thinking it could be replicated. Now we know it can't.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Mahomes has averaged 3.5 air yards per attempt this season. That is INCREDIBLY low. The only QBs that are lower than him that were starters are Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, and Mac Jones.

When I commented that Pat has himself been a liability this season and they flashed a stat yesterday showing he's dead last in every meaningful passing stats for himself, I was told by a bunch of ****ing inbred **** sticks in here to go kill myself.

Pat has had A BAD YEAR. Yes his WR's have dropped more balls than anyone else but there's been TONS of film broke down over the year where he too has simply just not seen wide open guys or thrown REALLY bad passes.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

When I commented that Pat has himself been a liability this season and they flashed a stat yesterday showing he's dead last in every meaningful passing stats for himself, I was told by a bunch of ****ing inbred **** sticks in here to go kill myself.

Pat has had A BAD YEAR. Yes his WR's have dropped more balls than anyone else but there's been TONS of film broke down over the year where he too has simply just not seen wide open guys or thrown REALLY bad passes.

Unfortunately this is true. In particular those absolutely brutal interceptions he threw against the Packers and Raiders were directly responsible for our losses in those games.