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Old 04-23-2020, 10:09 PM  
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Old 04-28-2020, 12:24 AM   #1036
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Wtf is a bellcow in terms of RBs?
It is a RB that can "Moooove" the chains for a first down.
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Old 04-28-2020, 12:32 AM   #1037
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I'm pretty sure the stats say you're wrong.

Every carry he takes is a play he takes from Mahomes.
Every catch he makes is a catch taken from Kelce/Hill/Watkins
Every salary cap dollar he takes up is away from a more important position

When you have an elite QB, an RB is not really an important addition


Not my opinion, what the stat nerds say.
You do realize that a team is not stuck with a finite amount of downs right. If a team gets a First down- they are awarded 4 More downs. The more First downs you get- the better chance to score points.

So if you have a back like CEH that can pull first downs out of his hat like a magician- the offense is going to have More chances to score.

Did the draft nerds watch this offense struggle with short-yardage pickups for a majority of the season last year? If you Punt- you do not get more plays.

I hope that helps. First downs are Good on Offense- Punts are Bad.
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Old 04-28-2020, 04:59 AM   #1038
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So you have to be a heavy back to win in short yardage situations?



I know, right? Was Marcus Allen a good short yardage back? Yep. How about Walter Payton? Yep. Priest Holmes? Yep. Barry Sanders? Yep. None of them were big backs. Marcus Allen was slender too, and could pick up 2-3 yards even when the entire defense knew he was getting the ball.

The days of Christian Okoye and Ron Dayne are pretty much over in the NFL.

CEH is going to take this offense back to the level they were playing at with Hunt, and by the end of the year our offense will be beyond even that.



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Old 04-28-2020, 06:12 AM   #1039
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I know, right? Was Marcus Allen a good short yardage back? Yep. How about Walter Payton? Yep. Priest Holmes? Yep. Barry Sanders? Yep. None of them were big backs. Marcus Allen was slender too, and could pick up 2-3 yards even when the entire defense knew he was getting the ball.

The days of Christian Okoye and Ron Dayne are pretty much over in the NFL.

CEH is going to take this offense back to the level they were playing at with Hunt, and by the end of the year our offense will be beyond even that.
Outside of Henry, who we broke on the way to becoming SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS, I would agree with you.
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I'm pretty sure the stats say you're wrong.

Every carry he takes is a play he takes from Mahomes.
Every catch he makes is a catch taken from Kelce/Hill/Watkins
Every salary cap dollar he takes up is away from a more important position

When you have an elite QB, an RB is not really an important addition


Not my opinion, what the stat nerds say.
Holy shit.........

Just HOLY SHIT...............

This has to be the most reeruned take I've ever seen.
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Old 04-28-2020, 08:10 AM   #1042
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Outside of Henry, who we broke on the way to becoming SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS, I would agree with you.
I doubt it.

Running a phat back when you have an elite passing attack makes a lot of sense. Imagine a Bettis or Larry Johnson running for us now. Teams have to go nickel to stop Mahomes and co then those DB's get all beat up by a physical back.

I think it's the perfect combo...
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Old 04-28-2020, 09:42 AM   #1043
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Holy shit.........

Just HOLY SHIT...............

This has to be the most reeruned take I've ever seen.
I would generally classify myself as a stat nerd, but the way some of them approach the RB position makes me embarrassed to be one.

Yes, there are multiple ways to find value at the RB spot. Yes, the passing game is more explosive and threatening, especially when you have a great QB and receiving unit.

But sometimes you need something more consistent and predictable than a pass play - to extend drives. You need balance to keep the defense from manipulating the matchup in its own favor. You need to be able to run to shorten games when you have a lead. You
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Old 04-28-2020, 10:27 AM   #1045
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It is a RB that can "Moooove" the chains for a first down.
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I doubt it.

Running a phat back when you have an elite passing attack makes a lot of sense. Imagine a Bettis or Larry Johnson running for us now. Teams have to go nickel to stop Mahomes and co then those DB's get all beat up by a physical back.

I think it's the perfect combo...
Bettis and Larry Johnson weren't a threat in the passing game for shit. You cant be a one dimensional back in this offense.
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I would generally classify myself as a stat nerd, but the way some of them approach the RB position makes me embarrassed to be one.

Yes, there are multiple ways to find value at the RB spot. Yes, the passing game is more explosive and threatening, especially when you have a great QB and receiving unit.

But sometimes you need something more consistent and predictable than a pass play - to extend drives. You need balance to keep the defense from manipulating the matchup in its own favor. You need to be able to run to shorten games when you have a lead. You
Arguably the most important drive of the Championship game against the Titans was when Andy salted the 3rd quarter away with that 7 and a half minute 13 play drive to take a 28-17 lead in the 4th quarter. The Chiefs ran the ball on 10 of the 13 plays on that drive with Damien Williams picking up key first downs with tough running on multiple third and shorts.

When I re-watched the game with Romo's commentary. He pointed out how the Titans had 100% sold out to cover the pass and weren’t adjusting their D when Andy started running the ball. Romo said the Titans were too worried to adjust to the run despite Williams effectiveness in the 3rd. Romo wondered if Andy would stick to the run if the Titans didn't adjust to it, and to Andy's credit - he stuck to it. He never abandoned the run against the 49ers either.

With how critical the run was in the last two games of the season I'm amazed people are undervaluing the run and CEH this much - and if CEH proves to be an elite back who never fumbles, good luck to any defense at that point. Sell out against the pass? Andy will gas your defense by pounding the rock for 5-6 yards a carry. The 49ers D had been on the field by over 70 plays (29 of those runs) in the Super Bowl and it showed on the last Chiefs touchdown run.

One of the more surprising aspects of the 2019-2020 playoffs was that Andy showed he was willing to win with the run. The Titans and 49ers sold out completely to take away Patrick's deep options and limit big plays - if that becomes the "safest" bet against the Chiefs, that's where CEH could take over games. It's not as exciting as winning with the deep ball and putting up 50 points, but a 31-17 win with a more Vermeil like elite offense is still a win regardless.
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As great as our offense was Reid flat out didn't trust our running game in the regular season. Problem solved. And unlike hunt this guy can line up anywhere at receiver. Unlike Damien we can use him all year long for 3 downs. And Damien is no guarantee to stay after this year anyway.

Kareem wasn't a generational talent. But there's no doubt our offense while great was missing something last year.

Don't know how anyone can dislike this pick other than being a contrarian.
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Arguably the most important drive of the Championship game against the Titans was when Andy salted the 3rd quarter away with that 7 and a half minute 13 play drive to take a 28-17 lead against the Titans. The Chiefs ran the ball on 10 of the 13 plays on that drive with Damien Williams picking up key first downs with tough running on multiple third and shorts.

When I re-watched the game with Romo's commentary. He pointed out how the Titans had 100% sold out to cover the pass and weren’t adjusting their D when Andy started running the ball. Romp said the Titans were too worried to adjust to the run despite Williams effectiveness in the 3rd. Romo wondered if Andy would stick to the run if the Titans didn't adjust to it, and to Andy's credit - he did. He never abandoned the run against the 49ers either.

With how critical the run was in the last two games of the season I'm amazed people are undervaluing the run and CEH this much - and if CEH proves to be an elite back who never fumbles, good luck to any defense at that point. Sell out against the pass? Andy will gas your defense by pounding the rock for 5-6 yards a carry. The 49ers D had been on the field by over 70 plays (29 of those runs) in the Super Bowl and it showed on the last Chiefs touchdown run.

One of the more surprising aspects of the 2019-2020 playoffs was that Andy showed he was willing to win with the run. The Titans and 49ers sold out completely to take away Patrick's deep options and limit big plays - if that becomes the "safest" bet against the Chiefs, that's where CEH could take over games. It's not as exciting as winning with the deep ball and putting up 50 points, but a 35-17 win is still a win regardless.
That was really brilliant by Andy. Not only did it take advantage of the Titans D - it burned a ton of clock and kept our defense from getting worn down against Henry. I was so happy at the time we were running the ball - shorten the game.
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