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10-01-2022, 03:12 PM | #1036 | |
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At the time we knew Sammy was inconsistent and hurt a lot. We knew it was his last year here. We knew it was a matter of time. We also knew that Hardman struggled as a receiver. Hindsight is hindsight but it just made too much sense at the time |
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10-01-2022, 04:47 PM | #1037 |
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I'm hopeful that Karlaftis is a huge success but it's entirely too early to make a determination there. DL as a whole has been as big of a struggle in the draft as WR. Just as you say with WR, there has been a lack of picks here as well so I will agree it's not like he's been drafting a bunch of busts.
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10-01-2022, 04:52 PM | #1038 | |
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Waiting until you absolutely have to have production from WRs puts this offense in a bind. Let's assume Skyy Moore is ready to contribute heavily by next year. Okay, that's great. Our starting due is probably him and MVS, that's one of the worst starting duos in the league. Okay, so draft someone else to contribute. But that 2023 draft pick, which probably is coming in the 2nd or 3rd again since left tackle in round 1 is probably going to have to happen, very likely isn't ready to contribute until half way through 2023 or by 2024. By 2024 Travis Kelce probably is well into his decline, so you're really counting on these young receivers developing. And just as much as I knock Veach for not finding enough WR talent I think Andy Reid shares a lot of the blame as his track record with both KC and Philly in developing wide receivers is pretty spotty overall. |
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10-01-2022, 04:54 PM | #1039 | |
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He looks pretty ****ing good out there to me. Some guys are just well-conditioned marvels for their age. |
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10-01-2022, 04:55 PM | #1040 | |
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10-01-2022, 06:47 PM | #1041 | |
Black Bob's daddy
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Defense is mostly fine at LB and secondary, but DL needs a lot of work so will have to be heavily addressed. I was kind of hoping for the team to double down at DE or get a DT (like Travis Jones) in the 2nd or 3rd this year, but maybe they weren't as high on those guys so who knows. |
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10-01-2022, 09:16 PM | #1042 |
October Falls!
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Not just from what I heard though never met the man, a great GM and a better person
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10-02-2022, 12:58 AM | #1043 | |
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I don't see any point denying what we've got in CEH and Hardman. We all saw the guys who got picked after them. They're certainly not "good" picks. We don't need to defend every Veach move, he's going to make some mistakes, and he has. |
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10-02-2022, 02:29 AM | #1044 |
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Assuming he recovers well, I think Veach needs to sign Beckham. It would make this offense feared again. That’s the move that would turn a pretty good team into a team that could beat Buffalo and win the SB.
Would be huge for Veach’s legacy too. Could really help to make people forget about the Hill trade. |
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10-02-2022, 02:58 AM | #1045 | |
YOU take YOUR seat
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10-02-2022, 05:26 AM | #1046 | |
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I mean, it's likely to start sooner than later but may not happen for a few seasons yet. He could be like Gonzalez, Witten, Gates, etc, and play until he's 37 or 38 and be highly effective at 35 and 36 then start to decline. We just don't know. Not that Veach wouldn't be wise to hedge his bets there. Gray doesn't appear to be that type of guy and Fortson is a role player. |
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10-02-2022, 05:44 AM | #1047 | |
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2022 - Moore - 2nd 2021 - Powell - 5th 2020 - None 2019 - Hardman - 2nd 2018 - Smith - 6th 2017 - Chesson - 4th 2016 - Robinson - 4th, Hill - 5th 2015 - Conley - 3rd, Brown - 7th 2014 - None 2013 - None In terms of the overall Reid tenure, they got miles out of Conley, Robinson, Hill, and Hardman and mostly only missed on the late picks. Chesson missing as a non-contributor as a 4th hurt. The part that sucks, and gets magnified, is that they really needed that 2020 1st to be Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman Jr and they didn't do it. The consensus was to draft a DE or draft a WR. Coincidentally, we ended up with huge holes in both positions as Veach instead went RB. It's probably his worst decision as a GM. That being said, I'm not about to crucify the guy for a bad choice if he's hitting at a high rate. Veach seems to be getting better each year at hitting picks. Let's see how this all pans out. I'm betting he'll formulate a plan as this goes along, he always seems to. |
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10-02-2022, 06:31 AM | #1048 |
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I like Veach but I don't see how a GM who picked CEH in the 1st round and traded for Frank Clark can be considered the best GM in the league.
But he is young and he's definitely not a bad GM. So hopefully he just keeps improving. |
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10-02-2022, 07:04 AM | #1049 | |
In Search of a Life
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I guarantee you can't come up with a single name that doesn't have comparable/similar misses to go along with a SB ring and all the success he has had in his short time. This is just a really stupid take. Everybody misses. |
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10-02-2022, 07:17 AM | #1050 |
Politically Incorrect
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Name one older, towards end of career player that we signed that provided great upside.
I can think of only one. It was quite a long time ago. |
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